The arrogance of some people

[Dorander]

Healers are NOT expected to toss some dots! YOU are expecting it!

And you expect tanks/dps to move out of the red. Though, we really don't have to if you only want to heal.

[RuleofThree]

And you expect tanks/dps to move out of the red. Though, we really don't have to if you only want to heal.

Some of you don't. Ever see a black mage refuse to remove themselves from their ley lines, no matter the consequence? All for those 'mad deeps yo'

[Dorander]

You're DPS...you don't have a job. Tanks and healers do the DPS so you don't have to...that's how this game works now.

Some of you don't. Ever see a black mage refuse to remove themselves from their ley lines, no matter the consequence? All for those 'mad deeps yo'

Well, you know we Ninjas have to also manage others threat and TP, while keeping up our own dots, and debuffs. Though with most of these healers argument, that's completely optional.. so why should I bother anymore? I think I'll just stick to using my level 1 ability over and over and over again. I just want to dps. I didn't sign up for that other stuff.

[Umbreon_skystorm]

Well, you know we Ninjas have to also manage others threat and TP, while keeping up our own dots, and debuffs. Though with most of these healers argument, that's completely optional.. so why should I bother anymore? I think I'll just stick to using my level 1 ability over and over and over again. I just want to dps. I didn't sign up for that other stuff.

Come on man don't compare DPS to Healers as a Matter of dps, if DPS do their job properly and healers just heal it will go as smooth as if TANK and HEALER loads tons of |DPS and DPS do an OK to POOR job on their role... why do DPS don't wanna Parse on FFXIV? Because they don't have the capacity to do their job properly, call everybody that wants it an elistist and in the end blame Tank/Healer because they are not doing enough dps...

[Belhi]

Well, you know we Ninjas have to also manage others threat and TP, while keeping up our own dots, and debuffs. Though with most of these healers argument, that's completely optional.. so why should I bother anymore? I think I'll just stick to using my level 1 ability over and over and over again. I just want to dps. I didn't sign up for that other stuff.

Most NIN I have run with rarely bother with managing others threat and TP, usually because its completely unneccesary. We are talking about DF Expert roulette. Hell, you rarely have fights go long enough for people to run out of TP.

Almost all the time dps just need to dps. Its incredibly rare I see dps bother with their utility abilities. Even SMN rarely bother with Virus and its not even on the GCD.

[Ashkendor]

Most NIN I have run with rarely bother with managing others threat and TP, usually because its completely unneccesary. We are talking about DF Expert roulette. Hell, you rarely have fights go long enough for people to run out of TP.

You must not run with any Warriors, Dragoons, Monks, Bards, or Machinists that use their AoE skills on a regular basis.

[Alahra]

You must not run with any Warriors, Dragoons, Monks, Bards, or Machinists that use their AoE skills on a regular basis.

Yeah, Goad is pretty useful in 4-mans if you have a WAR or your partner DPS is a physical class, though Smokescreen and Shadewalker are fairly forgettable in dungeons. They do have nice raid applications for the opening pull—Screen the OT and Shadewalker the MT to make sure hate doesn't bounce much and the OT can use their highest hitting abilities right away without worry. But that kind of utility's generally just not useful outside of 8-man scenarios.

[Colorful]

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That reminds me when I had a Tank call me and the other Ninja lazy for not using Shadewalker during the start of the twin knight phase (2nd or 3rd phase? The one where the knights have to be split up) to help him get aggro on the knight (because you definitely need help building up aggro). Is there actually a use for using Shadewalker there other than fucking the entire thing up? I used it on him hoping I'd get pulled to the other knight intending to burst that one with as much DPS hoping the other tank not the best, and then have that knight murder that tank and then call him out, but luckily things went his way and I was stuck on that knight. The initial burst was over, so it's not like I could have ripped aggro off a decent tank anyway.

[Belhi]

You must not run with any Warriors, Dragoons, Monks, Bards, or Machinists that use their AoE skills on a regular basis.

Oh all the time but in almost every case pretty much everything is dead by the time they run out of TP so any TP buff is rather pointless since they are usually back to full by the next pull. This is Dungeon Finder Roulettes we are talking about.

[RuleofThree]

Well, you know we Ninjas have to also manage others threat and TP, while keeping up our own dots, and debuffs. Though with most of these healers argument, that's completely optional.. so why should I bother anymore? I think I'll just stick to using my level 1 ability over and over and over again. I just want to dps. I didn't sign up for that other stuff.

That's cool, you really don't have to. Seriously, you don't. I mean, with the tank and healer playing the roll of dps, it's like you don't even exist. I mean, you can do all that stuff, it would make the dungeon go faster if you did, but it's optional. I mean, hell, healers are required to dps so you don't have to.