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    UBERHAXED's Avatar
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    Ifrit auto attacks, and that is what it refers to in the log by "Attack".
    If Ifrit always auto attacks, then there's something seriously wrong with using Garuda considering the already large difference of potency attacks between the two (120 potency burning strike per 3 seconds + the alleged "auto" 50 potency, which appears to be more frequent compared to 100 potency wind blade). If Ifrit auto attacks, then the attack will be close to burning strike in potency (80% to be exact), but the move is clearly less than 50% (which matches exactly with radiant shield). Also the alleged auto should then appear when radiant shield is not in effect. And furthermore should be included on the OP to not misinform users the damage of the pet (which may have been the purpose of such an omission). You pet will autonomously use their 3 second cooldown move, which serves as an "auto attack". I've not seen any further evidence that this is the not the case, also considering that if Ifrit does an auto attack at a fixed interval and burning strike at a fixed interval, than in every fight the ratio of "auto attack" and burning strike should be fix (or, giving you the benefit here, consistent). This is shown not be the case from the following logs:
    (Using a person other than myself as a control variable, vs Faust so there should be no external movement, the rest of the cases will be controlled by User (myself))
    Control Vs. Faust
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/vrGVfq...done&source=10
    Ratio: 37 attack to 36 burning strike; 102.7%
    Case 1 Vs. Thordan
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/L1NH6A...rce=1&fight=11
    Ratio: 152 attack to 132 burning strike; 115.1%
    Case 2 Vs. Thordan
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/L1NH6A...rce=1&fight=12
    Ratio: 136 attack to 149 burning strike; 109.5%
    Case 3 Vs. Faust
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/b3pxn4...e=231&fight=14
    Ratio: 40 attack to 35 burning strike; 114.2%
    Case 4 Vs. A2S
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/b3pxn4...e=231&fight=19
    Ratio: 125 attack to 116 burning strike; 107.7%
    Case 5 Vs. Oppressor
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/b3pxn4...one&source=231
    Ratio: 113 attack to 102 burning strike; 107.8%
    Case 6 Vs. A2S
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/HnLKC7...-done&source=1
    Ratio: 157 attack to 136 burning strike; 115.4%
    Case 7 Vs. Faust
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/fbynRF...-done&source=2
    Ratio: 41 attack to 37 burning strike; 110.8%
    Case 8 Vs. Oppressor
    http://www.fflogs.com/reports/fbynRF...-done&source=2
    Ratio: 104 attack to 92 burning strike; 113.0%

    There's a lot of evidence to the contrary so you need at least some form of evidence barring word of mouth to support your claim.
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    Havenchild's Avatar
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    Avalen Koma
    World
    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by UBERHAXED View Post
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    I'm not gonna try to be mean in any sense, however you are misinformed on some things and you are welcome to test anything claimed in this guide in a controlled environment in game.

    Just to be sure you understand:

    1) Ifrit DOES have an Auto Attack that is separate from Burning Strike (the skill it uses every 3 seconds; Default Attack Skill).


    2) The only time Ifrit "skips" (delays) a default attack (Burning Strike) , is if several of his skills are used back to back/ come up at the same time (If on Sic).
    So instead of something like

    Burning Strike + Auto -> Crimson Cyclone -> Burning Strike+ Auto -> Radiant Shield -> Burning Strike + Auto -> Flaming Crush,

    it will become:

    Burning Strike + Auto -> Crimson Cyclone ->Auto -> Radiant Shield -> Auto> Flaming Crush -> Burning Strike + Auto


    3) Garuda and Ifrit damage is calculated differently. Thus you cannot directly compare their potencies.

    4) Radiant Shield only procs (and can proc continuously) when a user who has the buff takes Physical damage. The damage it deals is based of the physical damage a user can do. This is why casters (Both Healer and DPS) will do much less damage than a Tank or other DPS.

    5) Is Radiant Shield better than Contagion in dungeons? If the mobs die very fast, then it is better. Otherwise if they survive longer than Radiant Shield (20s) than Contagion was very likely better in almost every scenario. In post 58, Dreadwyrm Trance is too much of a buff to SMN damage universally for Ifrit to keep up from then onwards. More to the point that at 60, no mobs die that fast usually which further makes Radiant Shield and Ifrit mundane. Think about Aetherflow usage as well.

    With Ifrit, you will have to Dot ups -> Bane -> Painflare -> Dot -> re-Bane again likely before mobs die.

    With Garuda, you Will DoT up a mob -> Contagion + Painflare -> Bane ->-----> Painflare

    Contagion saves you both, GCDs going up towards redotting enemies that now can be used towards AoE Blizzard II use, and maximizing damage from Aetherflow usage.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 12-23-2015 at 01:24 AM.