Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[Reynhart]

I will use FFXI as a example since I played it and allot of others did. Pretty much every expansion you paid for added something new to the game like Campaign, dynamis, besieged etc.

Right, but, apart from Dynamis, those content had absolutely no useful reward for endgame.
Exactly like Fronlines, Gold Saucer, Lords Of Vermilion, Triple Triad.

[Nashred]

Right, but, apart from Dynamis, those content had absolutely no useful reward for endgame.
Exactly like Fronlines, Gold Saucer, Lords Of Vermilion, Triple Triad...

But they were fun to do and that was only a short list. I just want something different..
I will say gold saucer was one thing that was added to the game that is different though...

I also do not mind grind and as long as it is different and not the same thing every time..

Look at the events in FFXIV same thing every-time: run few fates and deliver some stuff..
Look at the events in FFXI even though they were the same year after year they were different from each other like the egg hunt and they were fun..

I do not mind challenge and I do not mind something easy once in a while and I do not mind grind.. i also realise this is not FFXI and I do not want it to be, I left that game. I am pretty flexible and I still enjoy the game but everyday it is harder and harder to get on and it is starting to feel like work. I have a lot of time in FFXIV but if I dont get something new I will have to go somewhere else to get something new.

[Reynhart]

But they were fun to do and that was only a short list. I just want something different..
I will say gold saucer was one thing that was added to the game that is different though...

They also came with later expansions.
In fact, even Dynamis wasn't implemented until the end of Zilart.
HW offers Diadem, which is exactly a "modern MMO" Dynamis, in its 1st major patch, and Lors Of Verminion.

And before CoP, you had basically no dungeons and no raids.

[Nashred]

They also came with later expansions.
In fact, even Dynamis wasn't implemented until the end of Zilart.
HW offers Diadem, which is exactly a "modern MMO" Dynamis, in its 1st major patch, and Lors Of Verminion.

And before CoP, you had basically no dungeons and no raids.

I am sorry but this is not a new game anymore and FFXI was a new MMORPG for SE this is not. Nothing different is even announced for the future yet.
Like I said I see the potential this game has. They can do allot with just housing but they do not even fix the housing shortage yet and how long has this been going on?. It is like SE does not believe this game is successful and do not want to throw any resources at it.. I can sit their watching bots for month and SE does nothing about them. It seems they spend more time on the cash shop and that was supposed to free up money to make more content?

The turn over in this game is starting to get insane.. My friends list was huge and now about 5 people log on weekly. It seems to do well with new players though but since Heavensward the population does seem to be dropping.

[Reynhart]

I am sorry but this is not a new game anymore and FFXI was a new MMORPG for SE this is not.

Creating content takes time, and this game has far more content than FFXI in the same span of years. Dynamis was created in 2005, three years after initial launch. ARR was launched...3 years ago, we have Diadem.
And you can't count 1.0 since ARR was created back from scratch.

[Nashred]

Creating content takes time, and this game has far more content than FFXI in the same span of years. Dynamis was created in 2005, three years after initial launch. ARR was launched...3 years ago, we have Diadem.
And you can't count 1.0 since ARR was created back from scratch.

Daidem is something new? Really it is nothing new, it is hunts you take a airship too. I think it was a neat idea that showed even more flaws but I do not want to get into that.

I am going to end it here because we are going in circles and you are entitled to your opinion, Actually when I first quoted you I thought we were agreeing... I would rather have less content and have better content that is new and not recycled content.

[Reynhart]

Daidem is something new? Really it is nothing new, it is hunts you take a airship too. I think it was a neat idea that showed even more flaws but I do not want to get into that.

Dynamis was something new ?
Reused city zones full of beastmen...

[uzu]

Daidem is something new? Really it is nothing new, it is hunts you take a airship too. I think it was a neat idea that showed even more flaws but I do not want to get into that.

I am going to end it here because we are going in circles and you are entitled to your opinion, Actually when I first quoted you I thought we were agreeing... I would rather have less content and have better content that is new and not recycled content.

Don't forget to mention a lot of this so called content is from 1.0 and not redesigned at all . Ishguard is 1.0 content were it was suppose to end but never did because the game flopped. Couldn't agree with you more they promised new content but have never delivered it at all . The promised so much with 2.0 but we have not seen any of the world content that they said would come. Seems like they are just seeing how much money they can get with the same recycled formula before they decide to experiment .

[Purrfectstorm]

Creating content takes time, and this game has far more content than FFXI in the same span of years. Dynamis was created in 2005, three years after initial launch. ARR was launched...3 years ago, we have Diadem.
And you can't count 1.0 since ARR was created back from scratch.

I don't think it's fair to compare the Diadem to Dynamis. I wish the Diadem was like Dynamis.

[Nashred]

I don't think it's fair to compare the Diadem to Dynamis. I wish the Diadem was like Dynamis.

While I wish it was like dynamis too, i do think it is a fair comparison because I think it is exactly what SE was going after with Diadem except it was a fail.. I think people have been asking for something like Dynamis and this was SE attempt at it but just with more recycled content like hunts. What was Dynamis really? It was farming, farming gear and currency to upgrade that gear. That part SE got right, the part they got wrong is Dynamis was fun and challenging and new at the time. It also got wrong the part that the gear you got was epic. FFXIV suffers from no gear is epic. The gear was worth working for and spending the time one and was good for a long time not outdated with the next patch.

I do not think people dont want grind, I think they want grind that is worth doing or grind that is different from the last grind. If the relic was truly a much better weapon people would not care so much. If Diadem gave truly epic gear people wouldn't care as much how bad it is. Yea some people are never happy but this was epic fail, it is not a few people on the message boards un happy.