Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[WinterLuna]

It's a valid defense because there's a lot of fanboys/fangirls in this game and they will support the game just for being a Final Fanasy game even when it's broken. I've read alot of comments from fanboys/girls saying this game is awesome, grind is awesome EVERY single thing in this game it's pretty cool for them.

Those fans are always online chating and doing nothing, now with this relic thing they just have "something to do" but that's not the point. This game is an MMO and we should be able to have fun with the game (which does not happen)

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy and can't let anyone else enjoy the content. Has it ever occurred to you that some people enjoy the game how it is?

[Kallera]

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy and can't let anyone else enjoy the content. Has it ever occurred to you that some people enjoy the game how it is?

I have seen the words salt and whining more times than I care to. It cuts both ways, until the devs respond or people unsub, which they have been doing.

[WinterLuna]

I have seen the words salt and whining more times than I care to. It cuts both ways, until the devs respond or people unsub, which they have been doing.

Except most people who actually enjoy the patch are giving valid reasons why they enjoy it and are getting jumped on by the people who dislike it. People are allowed an opinion either way, but it isn't even intelligent argument anymore, it's just people insulting others because they have a disagreement.

Really makes me lose faith in the community when people get so angry over a patch.

[Adormus]

@Winterluna

It really makes me lose faith in the community when people like you outright support SE's laziness, all the while calling unsupporting players "whiners". You don't have to have a "valid" reason to like a game. I've had fun in an asia grinder for months. The game itself was trash, but doing things with friends rocked. You can't very well measure fun. But that's besides the point, since it's highly subjective.

But there's an objective way to measure content. HW is lacking in every single aspect here. 1 raid, 4 dungeons, 1 "farm raid", 3 primals. That's stuff for about a month, not for 6. I've yet to encounter any serious player complaining about the grind. Everyone complains that there nothing besides it. No story attached other than "Let's forge a weapon", no new content like the Chimera or Hydra for the original relic. It feels lackluster at best. At worst it's just the developers showing us the finger. How can you possibly defend this?

[Kallera]

Except most people who actually enjoy the patch are giving valid reasons why they enjoy it and are getting jumped on by the people who dislike it. People are allowed an opinion either way, but it isn't even intelligent argument anymore, it's just people insulting others because they have a disagreement.

Really makes me lose faith in the community when people get so angry over a patch.

Its not just "one patch". This is several months in on content that many are not interested in doing, which was already showing its age even before 3.15. The minute the msq was done, we were back in idyllshire, doing the same things we were doing for tomes and turn ins. The relic was the breaking point for a lot of people when they saw that it was the same damn thing for a pittance of a reward.

[Valoiz]

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy

We are unhappy bout a service we are paying for, so we complain, i already paid 6 months of gametime (3 months left) and have NOTHING FUN or new to do but chat. Who are u to criticise us? trying to be the devil´s lawer? 2 years of the same formula over and over, ppl get tired. SE is being lazy and lacking of fun ideas.

[Yonanja]

I've not seen any argument from the "defenders" other than "I enjoy it, so there!", I've not seen any argument as to why they enjoy it. And if you're enjoying it so much... why arn't you in-game doing the "brand new, shiny interesting content"? Instead of lurking around in the forums telling people that their opinions are false and not worth anything? There shouldn't be a need for you to defend SE or the devteam, since they'll be able to see the actual numbers anyways, and if this "content" really is something that most people seem to enjoy, they'll know that without having you defending them and insulting everyone that might have a complaint.

[kog985]

I've not seen any argument from the "defenders" other than "I enjoy it, so there!", I've not seen any argument as to why they enjoy it. And if you're enjoying it so much... why arn't you in-game doing the "brand new, shiny interesting content"? Instead of lurking around in the forums telling people that their opinions are false and not worth anything? There shouldn't be a need for you to defend SE or the devteam, since they'll be able to see the actual numbers anyways, and if this "content" really is something that most people seem to enjoy, they'll know that without having you defending them and insulting everyone that might have a complaint.

Oh i love this post so much.

[Ilitsa]

I've not seen any argument from the "defenders" other than "I enjoy it, so there!", I've not seen any argument as to why they enjoy it. And if you're enjoying it so much... why arn't you in-game doing the "brand new, shiny interesting content"? Instead of lurking around in the forums telling people that their opinions are false and not worth anything? There shouldn't be a need for you to defend SE or the devteam, since they'll be able to see the actual numbers anyways, and if this "content" really is something that most people seem to enjoy, they'll know that without having you defending them and insulting everyone that might have a complaint.

Why do we have to justify our enjoyment to you? Also what says I'm not ingame working on it while lurking around the forums too, my computer screen has the forum up while my TV has the game up, I know, a console player that also owns a computer, it's hard to comprehend, aint it? <3


in all seriousness, my facetious comment aside, both sides of the argument need to be way less judgmental of each other, some like it, some don't both sides are equally valid, stop trying to invalidate each other, it only hurts the community more.

[Ayerinn]

Scrubbing garbage cans is something to do too - probably more fun than the anima quest - and you don't have to pay for the privilege + exercise!