Is it pointless to lvl Paladin?

[Freyyy]

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Then your DPS are either bad at their jobs or wait before starting to DPS. Pulling in SwO as a PLD without NIN's threat and opening with GB while having your DPS start their burst openers right as you land your Shield Lob (which is what should happen in a static with a pull timer) is 100% sure to end up having the boss hitting the BLM or the BRD before you even have the time to reach the end of your GB combo, then hitting your DRG when he lands his Life Surged Full Thrust even after your following RoH combo. I've tested it, and I have a STR/pentameld build, almost full i210 gear, i205 weapon, and I do a lot of freakin damage. Even if you start with a RoH combo, opening in SwO is too weak without NIN's help. Only PLD has such difficulties, so his threat is an issue and it persists for the whole fight, because you have to use RoH regularly in order to maintain aggro, which is really bad for your DPS. Fixing PLD's threat would be a great way to fix its DPS.

[IskarJarak]

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Only have a Mch, 3 melee... and Drg and Mch will sometimes pull at the start but only for an autoattack or 2, which is no big deal. The only time really I ever have to really worry about threat is say Thordan, all the big aoe healing before the big blinding attack that breaks your screen and you accidently run too far and take 9999 damage but it's okay cause the Ast or Whm has aggro...

[Syzygian]

possible trolling

Oh dear...

[Ashkendor]

Yes, but I don't always get the hate buff because there are a lot of trolls in my static and I still keep hate fine

Only have a Mch, 3 melee... and Drg and Mch will sometimes pull at the start but only for an autoattack or 2, which is no big deal. The only time really I ever have to really worry about threat is say Thordan, all the big aoe healing before the big blinding attack that breaks your screen and you accidently run too far and take 9999 damage but it's okay cause the Ast or Whm has aggro...

That's not "keeping hate fine" though. If you were keeping hate, you wouldn't... y'know... lose hate, even for "an autoattack or 2." :s

Your melee are losing DPS on their openers hitting the front of the boss and potentially cleaving the entire party.

[whiskeybravo]

That's not "keeping hate fine" though. If you were keeping hate, you wouldn't... y'know... lose hate, even for "an autoattack or 2." :s

Your melee are losing DPS on their openers hitting the front of the boss and potentially cleaving the entire party.

Yea I was going to mention, whatever dps you're gaining from opening in sword is probably lost by melee losing positional bonus or possibly missing from the front attack.

[Houston009]

Only have a Mch, 3 melee... and Drg and Mch will sometimes pull at the start but only for an autoattack or 2, which is no big deal.

*Triggered* I can feel my Trick Attack getting devoured.

[Riki_Namu]

Everyone is talking about Damage output.

The big elephant in the room is PLD hate is very low compared to the other two.

Leveling a PLD is literally a struggle of flash spam and rotating enemies as you desperately try to build enough hate to keep them on you.

I like PLD, but the fact that its lower dps as MT and OT coupled with its threat issues is a deal breaker. Mitigating damage is only a piece of the pie.

[Februs]

Everyone is talking about Damage output. The big elephant in the room is PLD hate is very low compared to the other two. Leveling a PLD is literally a struggle of flash spam and rotating enemies as you desperately try to build enough hate to keep them on you.

This is a common misconception on Pld. Firstly, their OT Dps is not actually all that much lower from Drks (it is, but only by a tiny amount that should not really effect Dps checks). Secondly, In mob pulls you do have to rotate targets, certainly, but you absolutely should not be spamming Flash.

Any Pld using more Flash spams than a Drk using Unleash or even a War's Overpower is not rotating their Hate combo efficiently enough. The reason for this is because of Shield Swipe. Unlike Drk and War (who both only have 5 moves that grant "additional enmity"), Pld has 6 moves which grant additional enmity at the expense of the oGCD's that Drk and War take advantage of. A proper Pld rotation sees 2 Flashes on average. As long as every single enmity granting move is landing on new targets (prioritizing the ones that are taking the most dmg from the Dps) you should never have a need to spam additional Flashes. After your initial combo, Shield Swipe essentially becomes a +1 button for peripheral targets that might be getting hate from AoE Dps. You definitely have to pay more attention than War's and Drks, but spams are not necessary.

Now, for single target enmity it's a whole other beast. Pld's are pretty well locked into their RoH combo to hold hate, and even that is sometimes not enough (requiring 2 RoH combos) if you have a Dps in your group that actually know what they're doing.

[Hayward]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No. Haters (and Excel geeks) gonna hate. You do you.

[whiskeybravo]

This is a common misconception on Pld. Firstly, their OT Dps is not actually all that much lower from Drks (it is, but only by a tiny amount that should not really effect Dps checks). Secondly, In mob pulls you do have to rotate targets, certainly, but you absolutely should not be spamming Flash.

Prior to shield oath you do have to spam flash quite a bit. I got Qarn NM last night in leveling roulette and I could barely keep hate even off the scholar. I think that's what he was referring to, perhaps.