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    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    No, you don't know how tank stances work. It doesn't matter that I compared Rampart to Defiance, it provides the same amount of mitigation as Shield Oath. Shield Oath is a 2520%reduction in damage, which equals a 25% increase in eHP, which equals the eHP WAR gains from Defiance.
    And now your original comment makes much more sense.

    I will have to concede that I misunderstood your original post and was incorrect. When you said that it was a "20% reduced dmg from rampart," I mistakenly assumed you had all your numbers wrong. Worse yet, when I worked out the mitigation for ShO I made the mistake of applying ShO's mitigation directly to the Pld health pool instead of incoming dmg. This was extra stupid of me, since I myself said I was distinguishing between mitigated dmg and Hp gained. This was my mistake. You are correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    More HP per heal is completely irrelevant
    I already agreed with you in my previous post that War's receive less Hp per heal, despite healing at a faster rate. I did not argue against the fact that Pld's receive greater returns from heals in regards to their eHp (though I admit that I was undervaluing that amount). However, I still don't think that means that the amount of Hp restored is in any way irrelevant. To a healer, it's anything but irrelevant. Pld's passive Oath mitigation still provides an advantage so far as they are actually mitigating dmg, but (and I may be wrong on this so feel free to correct me) shouldn't War's be receiving their healing bonus regardless of continued mitigation (say downtime during cast bars, jumps, or Cooldown phases etc). Not to mention the fact that War's self-healing should more than compensate for any advantage ShO gives to effective healing of eHp ... or am I incorrect on that one as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    Healing WAR vs PLD

    There was actually a thread in the Healer Forum before Heavensward hit where everyone was discussing which of the two tank classes they like to heal more. Most people said PLD because of the impact healing seems to have on their HP bar vs. a WAR's. No body really said they disliked healing WARs but that the larger HP pool made is appear that they needed to be healed more often.
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    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    There was actually a thread in the Healer Forum before Heavensward hit where everyone was discussing which of the two tank classes they like to heal more. Most people said PLD because of the impact healing seems to have on their HP bar vs. a WAR's. No body really said they disliked healing WARs but that the larger HP pool made is appear that they needed to be healed more often.
    I only recently started healing. I agree with this, but I'm actually a little torn on it. In a lot of ways, Pld's seem much easier to heal, but after a Tank buster or during a quite spell in a boss fight watching a War's Hp bar get a sudden jump is ... relaxing, I guess. I feel less panicked about their Hp bar because it shoots back up quickly. I also find I have to heal them less than Pld's because, despite their higher Hp bar, they self-heal so efficiently that I'm not always needed.

    I guess the difference is that Pld's feel like they need a constant, but very steady, rate of healing. Whereas Wars need a bunch of healing ... and then you can take a break whenever they use Equilibrium or you see Bloodbath in their hotbar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
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    Yeah. It's more of a mentality thing. Like "he has 12k HP and my Cure will only him 1.6k. Ahhh! He has so much HP, my healing will be so weak on him!" with a WAR.
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