Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Azazua_azura]

What does this have to do with OP wanting a personal parser for self-improvement and people like Azazua being against that?

I never said I was against it.

I was saying what would happen if it was added What people are not understanjding is the Link between gear swaping and parser debates. People use the same arguments on BOTH debates, and stem from the same exact crowd. Which is "play my way if you don't you suck because I said so and here is math to prove it"

gear swaping happen because of parsers. It was how players could get top dps, using plug ins to increase macro size to pull it off. This mindset (both gear swap amd parser numbers) went from raid content in ff11 to leveling content. You was expected to do it 24/7 in any and every content. This isn't a case of jerks being jerks, but hive mine conformity if you go against the hive mind your ousted.

And further exmple of parser in leveling content was hive mind conformity over rdm being able to melee in again leveling content, basiclly if you was a rdm who used a sword and hit a mob you was kicked. If you was a smn who used your avatar you was kicked, this was due to parser data reading that rdm melee was low and avatar dmg was low for the mp cost. Which slowed the exp/hr rate.

Thos also lead to again the flavor of the mnth level bursts of jobs based on how SE tweeked them.

At the moment parser use is againsy the ToS, yoshida only understood this will be used (he is a pc mmo gamer and knows this stuff from a pc gamer pov) But as a SE employee he can't state they are ok due to the SE ToS. Stating use them but don't talk about using them. This means players only talk about them in their raid static. If parser are made public that would change, and to deny it, is not seeing the bigger picture.

I could care less if a parser gets added though, what I don't want to see is DF exclusion. I already had my fill of that playing as a new tank on NA severs.

The only reason you didn't see it in WoW or DCUo as much is leveling is 100% solo. Early FF11 and current FF14 leveling isn't 100% solo.

And I never once argued for or against parser I just stated i dislike parser, feel they are not needed, and my experiences that lead me to think that way. What I got in return is harrasment, and fallacy about gaming from pro parser people who think I'm an idiot for disliking something.

So ya my boyfriend stuck up for me, because i was upset I was mistreated for giving my two cents.

I honestly feel bad for players when they feel they need to parse to know if they are good or not, and simply can't use chess like ;thinking to improve.

Also and correct me if I'm wrong,
Parser run by collecting data by calculating each skills damage over a period of time and if programed well, factors in Dot. on top of this and presented as a ratio of over all damage per second.

If I'm not incorrect how does one come up with a rotation based on that?

simply put what i mean is 5+6+7 = 6+7+ 5 = 5+7+6= 7+6+5 over the same 10 seconds.

Only variable being buffs use which changes the numbers based on the timing use, procs that increase the damage or apply a buff.

And debuffs that again change the numbers.

And why does one need a parser when there is a chat log battle text which reads your own person damage per skill (which is what parser read/factor)

With option of seeing other players batle log text (which again used by parser to factor dps)

This is what people have failed to explain since WoW when I asked, and I'm not being rude, just trying to learn more about this.

For me personally, don't factor ration well, at most when I play any rpg i factor (with out a tool) my dmg vs rate the mob dies. And try to increase4 my damage to make a monster die faster.

Either by testing combination of skills, gear, stat allocation via trial and error. All with out numbers outside of Percentages. I can mathmaticaly do percentages easier then ratio. Personally speaking I've always used geomatry and mentally picturing the hp bar in a grid format and calculating much and how fast i can take ouch each but of the grid. Again w.o a tool to do the math for me.

This is how I play ff14, when factoring my skill use/ buff use/ bonus state setting. Via trial and error.

[Ghishlain]

Even if you lack the ability to to simple arithmetic (that is, just add small integers, multiple small integers by smaller numbers) you don't need a calculator to realize how to get the best rotation. It's both intuitively obvious (followed with trivial proof by contradiction) that you can get the best rotation by using the highest potency moves, the largest percentage of the time. Once you are doing the best rotation (which does not require a parser, only brain), only stats will change your dps. The fact that you have trouble figuring out way to use as a dragoon is laudable. At best, parsers are only useful to determine what set of stats are best, not rotation. I'm pro-parser btw. I mean, theory crafters existed for the longest time, even when parsers didn't work remotely accurate such as at launch.

You are indeed correct. My comment was more of an (unfortunate) reaction to the sarcastic nature of post and how it wasn't too conducive to the discussion as a whole. I can understand how someone may misinterpret my comment as indicating how a parser is needed to maximize a rotation given the context of the conversation and that wasn't my intent.

My intent was to indicate the math for determining optimized rotation is a bit more complicated than the poster suggested and required much more thought than adding 100 + 150 = 250, especially when you consider the multitude of different scenarios one could use a DRG when thinking about Chaos Thrust, Disembowel, Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Phlebotomize in their normal string of attacks.

[Azazua_azura]

@ crit Limit

I don't lie about my experience and i give the complete story.

I'm very much open to advice I don't give knee jerk replies, I started playing mmo @ 19 and used grown up words to express myself as best as I could.

And yes I restarted ff11 75 times all because people harrased how I played. I didn't like being a back line healer and would explain nicely I'm sorry I don't like to back line heal. I would apologise leave the group who then would shout how bad of a person I am. For having ADD (didn't know i had autism till recently) I felt i did pretty well. I made sure my gear was balanced between melee and mage to attack, nuke, heal, refresh 3-4 players (by hand no macro) Making sure refresh stayed on them while mataining my mp to not rest as much. Anjd I used human filt as a censored words what I was called as 90% of it, is against the forum rules.

When I was on WoW I tried to explain to players that I share the computer with my family and was told i wasn't allowed to download third party tools. The replies i got was being called lazy, and other stuff that I can't repeat again due to forums rules.


When I was a fresh tank on excalibar, I was insulted in roughly 4 out of 5 parties because I was new. At the time I was playing on an SDTV which made things a bit hard, but I did my best. This was either because I pulled too slow, or pulled everything. Infact On my first sastasha hm run The 2 blm harrassed me for mob marking.

In the AK run my b/f explained, the whm called me ever foul name in the book, and went as far as to say I wasted their time and should have looked up a video or guide before running AK. Due to having no pc and SDTV that wasn't a possiblity nor do I learn from that.

Try running the ps3 browser or ps3 youtube or even youtube.com on an SDTV.

Ever since my first party on ff11 i ALWAYS SAY I'm new, and ALWAYS be open for advice, simply ask "hey do you want some advice" My reply is always sure.

If someone says "pull moar noob" I wouldn't like it but try and say, no need to be a jerk.

[Kaurie]

And I never once argued for or against parser I just stated i dislike parser, feel they are not needed, and my experiences that lead me to think that way. What I got in return is harrasment, and fallacy about gaming from pro parser people who think I'm an idiot fordisliking something.
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Are you talking about in this thread? I wouldn't really say much in this thread could be considered harassment. At best there may be condescending tones when bringing up counter points to one and other arguments. This naturally happens in a debate over the internet. However, if you feel you're being harassed, simply say as much. I am sure no one means to be harassing you.

(When I say, 'say as much' I don't mean make a blanket statement like the one above, but quote who harassed you and say "please keep the conversation civil, as there is no reason to make this personal." or w/e).


As for answering a couple of your other questions:

- reading the battle log is a possibility but a ridiculous expectation.
- the math can be used to figure out an optimal rotation, but the tool of a parser helps you realize if it's working how you expected. It also allows you to compare with others in your ilvl range, class range and via the internet. This then allows you to see if there is room for improvement, or if you're able to help others who need/want to improve.

[ShanaShirayuki]

I never said I was against it.


So ya my boyfriend stuck up for me, because i was upset I was mistreated for giving my two cents.

I honestly feel bad for players when they feel they need to parse to know if they are good or not, and simply can't use chess like ;thinking to improve.

I said I wouldn't respond, but the above is just an utterly despicable mindset I felt like I had to speak up. You say something so downright condescending towards the OP and other console players who want something that would ultimately help them improve and quantify their performance, yet you wonder why you feel you're being mistreated? Give me a break.

Everything you've said up until this point has been discredited by this statement, certainly does not bode well for your... "argument".

[Kaurie]

english really isnt my first language
i came from hokkaido, relocate to England 2 years ago
i must apologize for my english isnt clear

to ans your question
1. no, i dont mean it is not useful, i mean causal content, or relative causal content doest necessary need it

2. it is from my experience, and as you can tell, i play within the JP community more than NA and EU
i must admit that JP have NA/EU have quite different community, which is quite obvious from the dev team of FFXIV and e.g. GW2


again, i m not against it nor support it, to a certain level
elitism(may not be the right word, but i guess you get it) is what i dont want to see, but from my experience it always end up this way
it is a job for dev to prevent it, to stop it, to punish it
it is also duty, for us the community.
we know how well the dev handle those problem
therefore, i think the best way to do is having the ppl from each side to come up with a solution everybody happy with

again, i m not very good at writing but i guess you get what i mean

Definitely no need to apologize, I just wasn't sure if we were understanding each other. i think we do now thanks! I gave your post a thumbs up, as I agree with your mentality. That said, I don't agree with your proposed solutions, I think adding something with many restrictions will just lead to greater frustration than not having it or having it completely. That frustration will lead to people mistreating others and so on.

[Brian_]

When people go to school, some will inevitably have a bad experience. Some people will get teased, some people will get bullied, sometimes things much worse will happen.

Do we ban public education and close down schools because stuff like that happens? No, we discipline the offenders, we help the victims, and we try our best to deal with the problems. Why? Because an education is important and the price of dealing with the occasional problem is a price worth paying.

Is this concept so hard to understand? Because right now, a substantial amount of people are being denied the tools they need to learn because some people are afraid of the minority that will misuse said tools.

That's not right and you know it's not right.

[Boss_Koivula]

Did the mods just remove a page lol

[Azazua_azura]

When people go to school, some will inevitably have a bad experience. Some people will get teased, some people will get bullied, sometimes things much worse will happen.

Do we ban public education and close down schools because stuff like that happens? No, we discipline the offenders, we help the victims, and we try our best to deal with the problems. Why? Because an education is important and the price of dealing with the occasional problem is a price worth paying.

Is this concept so hard to understand? Because right now, a substantial amount of people are being denied the tools they need to learn because some people are afraid of the minority that will misuse said tools.

That's not right and you know it's not right.

Ok here is what is missing,

Parser are tools that are not supported by SE and against the ToS PC players use them knowing this, Much like speakezy, or fight club rules "don't ask, don't tell" Any player admiting to parsing can be rightly reported for parsing.

PS players are not at a disadvantage as the tool is against the rules.

To use the example of bullying and learning is not really the right metephor to compare it.

You can improve with out a parser. All i am and have said.


Question why is not having a parser considered the worst thing in the world?

[Boss_Koivula]

@ thread

Can we please stop acting like not having a parser is the worst thing in the world

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Bold words from someone who just threw a tantrum calling others human filth and in a result a whole page got deleted.