Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Gardes]

and harassment like what azazura got (I was there for most of it) was uncalled for. since we transfered to tonberry, there has been very little if any harassment. Before we transfered, we ran an AK run (her first run and she was pld) and she didnt know what mobs could be ignored and what mobs couldnt. she just pulled (small pulls) and we started out killing everything in the dungeon. the WHM ended up going ahead and pulling the next set of unskippable mobs while me and the pther dps were helping azazura kill the ones she pulled. I wasnt complaining...free gil (lol). the WHM almost died cause they pulled the next set of mobs and blamed her for that cause she pulled skippable mobs and didnt know they could be skipped, and insulted her because of it. we eventually kicked the whm just to have them rejoin again in-progress (glad they made it impossible to do that). and the WHM was complaining cause she was pulling small and relatively slow cause she didnt know what could be skipped. the WHM not only insulted her as a player, but also personal insults which is never called for in an online game. and that wasnt the first time stuff like that happened to her. it also happened while she was lving.

What does this have to do parsers and harassment from parsers again? Are you in this thread because Azazua got upset enough from being pointed out how illogical and hypocritical she is?

[Misutoraru]

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TLDR Add it full or don't add it, because something in between will just cause issues.

english really isnt my first language
i came from hokkaido, relocate to England 2 years ago
i must apologize for my english isnt clear

to ans your question
1. no, i dont mean it is not useful, i mean causal content, or relative causal content doest necessary need it

2. it is from my experience, and as you can tell, i play within the JP community more than NA and EU
i must admit that JP have NA/EU have quite different community, which is quite obvious from the dev team of FFXIV and e.g. GW2


again, i m not against it nor support it, to a certain level
elitism(may not be the right word, but i guess you get it) is what i dont want to see, but from my experience it always end up this way
it is a job for dev to prevent it, to stop it, to punish it
it is also duty, for us the community.
we know how well the dev handle those problem
therefore, i think the best way to do is having the ppl from each side to come up with a solution everybody happy with

again, i m not very good at writing but i guess you get what i mean

[Critical-Limit]

Go to ff11 forums

I really doubt people called you human filth on the regular because you didnt gear swap. In FFXI as a party it was MUCH more important you knew how to react with paralyna silena, refresh wearing, stun this move, swap hate at the appropriate times with SATA, over gear swapping. I can't even recall DPS checks outside of maybe a time limit to complete dynamis. Almost everything in the game could be killed the slow and careful method. I remember people not bothering with skill chains even though it's a DPS increase.

Im now convinced that you were so closed minded to advice that you knee jerked reacted to all advice and heard "hey man you should be resting with mp rest gear" as "wow you're bad and human filth"

All these bad encounters you claim to have over and over probably explains more about how you behave more so than the people criticizing you.

You're not telling the whole story I feel

[Kazumac]

The problem is: For the theory to be wrong, you must either have miscalculated (human error) or the potencies in the tooltips have to be wrong (game error). If the potencies in the tooltip can be wrong, so can the numbers in the battle log and thus the parsing result. Thus, assuming no human error, the "proof" is just as likely to be wrong as the theory itself. No biggie if both fit together, but sucks when there's a mismatch because you can only check for human error in the calculations and parsing algorithm.

I get your point here. The mathematical comparison of two calculations (rotations) in the absence of other influences wouldn't be wrong (omitting the errors you described). Parsers being the proof of what can be done in a situation by a particular player (taking into account the variances such as player lag, error and fight mechanics).

Measurement of the practical application is just as important but that doesn't contradict your point that comparison of two rotations does not need a parser to show which is better in that perfect scenario model (which is what we strive to implement to maximize dps).

Consider my view clarified. (Hopefully)

[Gilraen]

It's against human equality to allow one group of people access to self improvement and the other group isn't.

You're confusing a video game with basic civil liberties. A video game is, first and foremost, someone else's property. MMOs especially. All you buy, if you are buying a physical object, is the object the game is on. You can stomp on that object. You can run that object through a dish washer or clothes dryer. You can even use it in your game console to play said game! But the game itself does not belong to you. You have no right to any of that game's code. All buying the game did was give you the privilege of playing it. The reason third party software can get you banned is because it interfaces with the game in a way Square doesn't allow. Again, it's all laid out, in legally binding print, in the EULA (or TOS, same thing). Civil rights do not apply.

[Gardes]

You're not telling the whole story I feel

I just double checked on the dates. Abyssea was released in 2010. I came back to FFXI not long after it was released. By that point leveling has shifted to FoV/GoV spam where people would go into alliances and spam on weaker mobs for the exp reward more than the mob exp itself. Leveling at that point has become 'whatever' and you could even get people taking breaks in the middle of the leveling procession for as long as 30 mins while still leeching the exp from everybody else. And you know what? Nobody cared. If someone noticed, they'd get that afk person kicked to make room but if that person returns they can just as easily hop in on the exp wagon. This applied to gear too. It was almost fate like and nobody cared.

Going back another couple years, leveling was still fairly normal. Still exp parties of 6 fighting ITs..but never have I remembered anyone fussing about gearswap during leveling. Hell, I was running around in less than optimal gear because I couldnt be bothered farming or camping for things costing millions and nobody ever fussed about it or anyone else wearing similar gear to mine while I'm in an exp party. Most people were more concerned about getting the right bodies to fuss about what the body is even wearing unless you show up in lvl 15 dunes gear to a lvl 60 colibri party. Then we got problems.

So yeah, I'm inclined to believe that azazua is just blowing hot air to support her arguments.

[UBERHAXED]

Could you optimize the DRG rotation for me please? It has two DoTs, one that is part of a combo, while maintaining both Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Disembowel in a four part combo. I feel like I should try to extend out my rotation some because if I alternate TT and ID combo I start to clip my DoTs resulting in a potency loss though it doesn't quite match up with my Heavy Thrust Timer. Oh, also when should I be using Blood for Blood?

All these questions can be answered with hard math, but it's certainly much more complicated to optimize that then you're putting forth in your extremely sarcastic and belligerent response. Just an FYI.




If we're wiping to Minotaur in Fractal because the DPS can't kill it fast enough and we run outta baits for the Minotaur to eat and we're only using them on each super swing, who do you think is responsible? That's a DPS check there in "low tier" content and probably can be seen if a group of minimum ilvl goes in and the DPS are of low skill.

Performance should be important to everyone in every branch of play. You may not need to be "playing like a God", but being able to see your numbers and how to improve those numbers should be part of any player's thought process. If we lack the tools to gauge performance readily available, how can we expect players to improve? That's some food for thought.

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@Parser's are evil topic

Parsers are a tool for players to use. The good players will use it to improve their performance. The belligerent players will use it to inflate their ego and stroke their e-peen. Take note that the good player will still ask for advice and constructive criticism where applicable if they don't have access to a parser and the belligerent player will still be a jerk regardless if they have access to the hard numbers or not.

Even if you lack the ability to to simple arithmetic (that is, just add small integers, multiple small integers by smaller numbers) you don't need a calculator to realize how to get the best rotation. It's both intuitively obvious (followed with trivial proof by contradiction) that you can get the best rotation by using the highest potency moves, the largest percentage of the time. Once you are doing the best rotation (which does not require a parser, only brain), only stats will change your dps. The fact that you have trouble figuring out way to use as a dragoon is laudable. At best, parsers are only useful to determine what set of stats are best, not rotation. I'm pro-parser btw. I mean, theory crafters existed for the longest time, even when parsers didn't work remotely accurate such as at launch.

[UBERHAXED]

You're confusing a video game with basic civil liberties. A video game is, first and foremost, someone else's property. MMOs especially. All you buy, if you are buying a physical object, is the object the game is on. You can stomp on that object. You can run that object through a dish washer or clothes dryer. You can even use it in your game console to play said game! But the game itself does not belong to you. You have no right to any of that game's code. All buying the game did was give you the privilege of playing it. The reason third party software can get you banned is because it interfaces with the game in a way Square doesn't allow. Again, it's all laid out, in legally binding print, in the EULA (or TOS, same thing). Civil rights do not apply.

It's worth noting that your argument is based solely on interfacing with the game. If we have a dps meter which does not interact with the game whatsoever, then it cannot be considered third party for purposes of the EULA. Otherwise, SE can ban players for having arbitrary software, like Itunes or Internet Explorer, on their machines. That being said, what ever software you guys call a "parser" (largely inaccurate considering the name is based on legacy methods) can use network traffic, for example, to accomplish the same task. And practically everything from your OS to your ISP has records of your network traffic, so...

[vp_cmc]

It's both intuitively obvious (followed with trivial proof by contradiction) that you can get the best rotation by using the highest potency moves, the largest percentage of the time. Once you are doing the best rotation (which does not require a parser, only brain), only stats will change your dps.

Ok, now I know, what FireIII spamming blm's think.

[UBERHAXED]

Ok, now I know, what FireIII spamming blm's think.

Key word is percentage. Reading comprehension is a lost art.