Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Aquaslash]

I may have missed this in all the chaos and posts mysteriously vanishing ( I feel like I missed something) but is there any reason we're ignoring the elephant in the room, mainly that PC players WILL be parsing ANYWAY. It will never stop. SE's ONLY objection is that they didn't make the software and thusly can't solve technical issues. All this blather about feelings and douchebaggery is ridiculous because the raiding scene will always be full of elitist exclusive jerks. This isn't a FFXIV issue, this is raiders in general. However, the great news is that they are always loud minorities and can be easily ignored.

The OP, a PS4 player, has a very specific issue. They WANT to get better. They WANT the same means PC players use to get better. The fact that it is currently against ToS is not only completely irrelevant, but will not change the fact that it will not go away. What I have not seen address this entire thread, but be asked countless times is why should PS4 players remain unable to see their real time damge output for training purposes?

All I'm seeing is all this junk about bad dps players not wanting to be bullied for being bad DPS players. AND? Tanks and healers get ragged on ALL THE TIME, what makes you so special?

Sorry for the rant. I just felt the need to try to get back on course

[Critical-Limit]

why should PS4 players remain unable to see their real time damge output for training purposes?

I guess you need to go back and read for real because all the stuff you complained people are talking about is their reasoning.

They say ps4 can't see because to allow them to see means SE had to put it in themselves. If they do that then using numbers is allowed in discussion. They claim that their feelings will hurt more if people can use numbers to criticize them.

That's why you see so many bad dPS and feeling posts.

[Aquaslash]

I guess you need to go back and read for real because all the stuff you complained people are talking about is their reasoning.

They say ps4 can't see because to allow them to see means SE had to put it in themselves. If they do that then using numbers is allowed in discussion. They claim that their feelings will hurt more if people can use numbers to criticize them.

That's why you see so many bad dPS and feeling posts.

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

[Ryel]

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

The real irony is every time the JP community is brought up as being more friendly etc when it comes to teaching / parsing and such people tend to overlook the fact that the JP community also happens to have a website that acts as a public blacklist for bad players.

EDIT: To stay on topic however, a little knowledge goes a long way. Even if you feel that the playerbase doesn't NEED a parser it's still a benefit to have proper feedback and tangible info to allow players to make informed decisions and changes when it comes to fight mechanics and gearing.

I posted a point earlier from a reddit thread that was never really followed up on.

For some players, being able to see and read the numbers might actually make acquiring gear and levels more interesting especially since ilvl increases in gear usually don't provide large visible results (unless you're a tank looking at your HP).

A player getting a new Esoterics, Void Ark, or Diadem piece might feel better if they could instantly go to a striking dummy or into content like a raid or a primal and go "WOW my average DPS has gone up by X amount" and really get that feeling of character progression since the stat distribution in this game is arguably a little on the weak side (no unique stats).

PC players currently have this luxury via 3rd party means, they can sit there and mess around with BiS and test for things like accuracy in a live environment, console players however are at a distinct disadvantage.

[melisande]

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

^ Haha! No seriously, no wonder the JP servers laugh at us, is because of people like you, and this hilarious thread whining about how you cant improve your deeps without the use of 3rd party tool, is quite funny.

[zosia]

^ Haha! No seriously, no wonder the JP servers laugh at us, is because of people like you, and this hilarious thread whining about how you cant improve your deeps without the use of 3rd party tool, is quite funny.

Yeah no wonder, we have players like you who become zealous in their stance despite having no experience in the current end game savage. Just another misinformed player making baseless assumptions to support a very very poor argument. We have already told you how parsers are key to tightening up your rotation and you just ignore the point.

The JP think we are a joke because they use tools like parsers and a black list site for bad players and that get's contrasted against players like you who want this game to be some SJW non-hurt feelings safe space. It's cool though, I have my cake and get to eat it too. It's the PS3/PS4 players who are effected by this and you have no sympathy for them, you rather keep those players down for some absurd reason. How very selfish of you.

[melisande]

Originally posted by Zosia - The JP think we are a joke because they use tools like parsers and a black list site for bad players and that get's contrasted against players like you who want this game to be some SJW non-hurt feelings safe space. It's cool though, I have my cake and get to eat it too. It's the PS3/PS4 players who are effected by this and you have no sympathy for them, you rather keep those players down for some absurd reason. How very selfish of you.

Dude, did you know in 2.x there was end game as well that wasn't Alexander savage? I cleared all of T1- 13 (pre nerf) without the use of a third party program just fine. Just because i haven't beat the current end game savage (no desire) makes me an 'uninformed' player is absolute nonsense. I have played this game since the beginning of 1.0, i have probably seen and done more endgame content than you have, but that would just be a baseless assumption like yours.
I don't ignore the point that to *some* people parsers can help tighten up their rotation.
In *my* experience, a parser has not ever helped me tighten up my rotation regarding end game content, and anything i "tightened up" in end game was straight up my own intuition (when is best time to pop CD's, maximize damage output during x phase, y phase, z phase.)
Where in my post did i ever talk about "non hurt feelings''?
You couldn't tell me - because i never did.
The argument that you can not improve your DPS without the use of a 3rd party program is actually silly, and you can honestly tighten any rotation just by simply playing the game more.

[Critical-Limit]

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

Yes that's basically the tldr version of the arguments.

[Mycow8me]

Oh camon, see this is the reason you kids wont get what your wanting. "cause bad players want to stay bad and free of judgement?"

You guys really sell your stance and increase your odds with lines like that. What is this politics? Demoralize the enemy in hopes of winning and getting what you want.

Who knows what the rest of the community thinks and how often do you actually run into a bad player on a fight that really just wanted to stay bad "because of parsers". This thread is living proof of some of the festering hate. Ultimately the reason PS4 users cant use an official tool for improvement is because its not in the game "yet". If your talking about parsers though, thats obviously another story.

[Critical-Limit]

Oh camon.

"Kids" resulting in name calling now eh? Don't worry I won't try to stop your freedom of speech for offending people. Things get heated in discussions where someone doesn't feel like they're getting equal treatment. Do you blame black people for being upset as to why they can't get equal treatment in US justice system? Ps4 is not getting equal treatment

How about you attack the arguments. This is a weak attempt to further say "help I'm a victim" instead of the meat of the argument.

It literally makes no sense why someone doesn't want parsers unless it's to protect egos.