Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Stupiduglytaru]

A personal parser is better than nothing for the console community, I can search or ask friends for what the expected dps for my ilvl.

Fights that require everyone to be on their A game should have a group parser in my opinion, you can't trust people to be honest with their personal parser results, just create a farm pf and watch newbies join, or a kill group for thor ex and watch your group wipe to meteors or below.

If we get one thing, at least a personal parser please. That way me and like minded players can actually improve.

[melisande]

FFXIV devs should really give us the ability to use mods easy, like WoW, but that'll probably never happen.

The WoW Disease is spreading... oh god.

[Kaurie]

Just trying to find a some what of a compromise. I know what parsers or more in line people have done with parsers in other games and how it effected the community and would hate to see the same thing happen to this game. At least a personal or toggle parser with SE policy at least is something in the middle. You will never get both sides to agree on either the far left or far right arguments. Man this is starting to sound like politics

Definitely. I am all for a compromise, I just feel that adding it in parts (or not fully) will only exacerbate the problems that the 'anti-parser' crowd fears. This will only serve to 1. increase harassment and 2. feed the idea that all parsers are bad.

I think a better solution would be to add it full as a group parser that can be toggled on and off anywhere. Put in strict ToS regarding the use of the tool, with perhaps a legalese-free option to read (as most people don't read formal ToS's). The only term I can think of is pretty much already in the ToS (don't abuse/harass other players), but if you can think of anything else, I am all ears. Then the punishments for breaking the rules go in steps
1. Formal Warning,
2. Temporary removal of parser on account,
3. Temporary ban from game,
4. Permanent removal of parser on account,
5. Permanent ban from game.

[zosia]

You are quite literally putting words into my mouth so I'm done with this argument 'mate'. Lovely NA/EU attitude you have though .

Putting words in your mouht? LOLOLOLOLOL the laughs just keep continuing with you. Here, let me help you recall some of our conversation.

Where in my post did i ever talk about "non hurt feelings''?

You said that in your reply to me. Post number 384 for your ref. So, to clarify I asked:

So, if you don't care about hurt feelins, why are you against an official in-game parser?

I asked you that in my respones to post number 384. My response can be found in post 387, again for your ref. You never answered the questions and continued on to say:

well if you read my previous posts, i DO understand the purpose of a parser.

Your response to my post, 387, where you failed to answer my question about why you are against parser. Yet, you state that you understand the purpose of a parser and how some people, not you of course, would use them.

Your parser TELLS you that? You couldn't have POSSIBLY, figured that out by yourself, with practice, really? Interesting argument.

A previous post of your in this thread, post number 204 (for your ref of course). That highlights your views on the usefulness of a parser.


Lastly, although this post was a reply to a response of yours predating my post, post 204, I find that it still applies well to this present circumstance:

you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Kazumac]

Heck I am all for a personal parser, even a toggle one for party finder, but it seems that is not good enough for the pro-parser group either.

Personal parser no. For the fact that it hinders group analysis compared to what the third part apps can do. PS3/4 players still won't have the same tools and raid groups will still use a 3rd party app for analysis. People can still be exclusive by asking for proof of dps and parses (I don't care about this at all) which is a worry for some of the anti parser crowd. Its not really good enough because if it gets in the way of group analysis and looking at the whole picture (phase breakdowns etc), it just won't really be used. Step in the right direction, sure. Better than nothing, absolutely. Helpful to serious groups, not so much.

I think you'll find the pro parser crowd a lot more amenable to a toggle-able type of capability though what benefit the toggle truly provides is debatable other than allaying some fears upfront. The result is most likely a more visible division in player base that will be starkly apparent in game. For instance any EX primal and higher group I put together it would always be toggled on. Some may not like that I am being "exclusive". Which for the record, doesn't bother me. I think those you'll find mainly against the parser toggle are not the pro-parser community but the padded room community. For me, if this is the "compromise", sure because it doesn't really compromise anything. It's more just a why? As it seems more like a compromise for compromise's sake than actually bringing a benefit to those who have anti parser view points. Though if you have some reasons for this helping, please share.

[Kaurie]

Lovely NA/EU attitude you have though .

Was this some sort of way to inadvertently insult 1.3 billion people?

[Kosmos992k]

...some people ARE inherently more fragile mentally, emotionally, and no one on the internet will change those people. It's called being human. Learn some damned compassion, the 'net will be a better place for it.

Quoted for truth. Unfortunately, many people still do not understand this.

[Zojha]

FFXIV devs should really give us the ability to use mods easy, like WoW, but that'll probably never happen.

Heh, that would really open the floodgates of tears.

Some people already call console players disadvantaged. Now imagine you don't have one, but dozens of external programs that console players have no access to unless they're integrated into the core game.

[Fersaken]

This debate is fairly boring. We already have a parser, like it or not it is being used my anyone who wants to use it. Like it or not people, myself included, will kick people for not preforming.

You can argue I am a dick, and that is fine by me. But I think it is you that is the dick. I only need to get 60 on 6 more job to max out all current jobs, and @ 60 in full law gear I am able to get around 900 dps. Why? because I research my class ( very minimally ) and learn the rotations. Why should I be forced to carry you when you refuse to do any research or even common sense for that matter.

Last night the tank in my Neverreap group comment that someone in the group was doing 300 dps. After 2 wipes on the second boss a vote kick came out to kick our dragoon. I voted yes. Once the good was gone the tank said he was pulling 300 dps, while I was pulling 1200.

300 dps...................... 300dps.................. Yeah its so much fun. He might as well just auto follow one of us and go afk, because even a tank can pull 600 dps.

[Kazumac]

Was this some sort of way to inadvertently insult 1.3 billion people?

Nah it couldn't have been. Only elitest pro-parser people throw mud around.