Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Critical-Limit]

Losing a right? We have no rights

Uh no, whether it's in accordance with the terms is irrelevant. Imagine a world where higher learning is only accessible to the rich. It's against the law to enter school. But with money you can buy the judges and police to ignore you.

And the people who are rich are the smart people who enter school. There is a teacher(Parse) willing to teach kids who aren't rich. But just incase someone's report card might make them feel bad all school is banned. Doesn't "have a right". I'm not talking about rights on a peice of paper. Hopefully if there was a law that you had to be my slave, you'd say it's against human equality for that to be a thing. It's against human equality to allow one group of people access to self improvement and the other group isn't. Because of being *gasp* offended.

[Zojha]

All these questions can be answered with hard math[...]

Thanks for agreeing. Because that is the entire point I made. Not all rotations necessarily come from parsers and not even all "good" rotations necessarily come from parsers.

You don't make an educated theory and call it fact without measuring it, if possible.

The problem is: For the theory to be wrong, you must either have miscalculated (human error) or the potencies in the tooltips have to be wrong (game error). If the potencies in the tooltip can be wrong, so can the numbers in the battle log and thus the parsing result. Thus, assuming no human error, the "proof" is just as likely to be wrong as the theory itself. No biggie if both fit together, but sucks when there's a mismatch because you can only check for human error in the calculations and parsing algorithm.

[Kaurie]

Thanks for agreeing. Because that is the entire point I made. Not all rotations necessarily come from parsers and not even all "good" rotations necessarily come from parsers.

The problem is: For the theory to be wrong, you must either have miscalculated (human error) or the potencies in the tooltips have to be wrong (game error). If the potencies in the tooltip can be wrong, so can the numbers in the battle log and thus the parsing result. Thus, assuming no human error, the "proof" is just as likely to be wrong as the theory itself. No biggie if both fit together, but sucks when there's a mismatch because you can only check for human error in the calculations and parsing algorithm.

It is all fine and well to theorycraft with math to come up with a great rotation. I enjoy doing just this.

However, I feel that people would be even more upset if in a dungeon I stopped and said "We're going too slow, everyone stop. F*ing idiot of a bard, go grab a piece of paper and a pen and work out the following math to come up with a better rotation. We'll wait."

Granted, I wouldn't do that, just like I wouldn't yell at someone for low parsing. However, if parsing is to cause the feared concerns, and the answer for that is the people who want them to do math, then the logical conclusion is above.

[Ghishlain]

You don't even need hard math for the rotation. And if you level up your dragoon, it seems logic. The rotation isn't the problem. And it's quite easy.
The opener is far more complicated but not that complicated.
But I agree, to maximise the dps, it's much easier with a parser. But still, even without the best rotation opener, without parser, you could down Savage.

I'm pro-parser btw.

Thanks for agreeing. Because that is the entire point I made. Not all rotations necessarily come from parsers and not even all "good" rotations necessarily come from parsers.

Yep. the point of my comment wasn't the fact parser's allow for an easily displayable and calculated number, just that sarcastic responses implying "easy math" don't really help the discussion either.

I do say Parser's give you a tool that isn't easy to calculate - your potential per fight. Maximum potential is all fine and dandy but not all fights will allow you to reach that maximum potential. A parser will allow you to gauge how close you are top that maximum easily, and then see where you can improve. If your DPS is 80% of your maximum potential for a fight but the other 3 DPS you're with have the same efficiency, then you can say you're doing something right. If your DPS is 50% of your maximum for that ilvl versus another DPS who's at 75% on the same ilvl, that leads someone to question "why". The answer could be as simple as "Oh, because I was targeted by X Y Z mechanic and that caused a significant DPS loss for myself".

I think the thing most anti-parser people don't quite understand is a parser doesn't make the user suddenly evil. The parser is a tool - just some players happen to use said tool in a negative way and unfortunately negativity gets emphasized so much more than naught. As my boss likes to say, "One 'awww crap!' wipes out a thousand 'Atta boys!'" and that's true here too. It also doesn't help that there's no actual discussion with the random people you play with when using a parser since there's no real reason to talk with them if they're doing well. You just nod and move on since you're happy with their performance.

Ah well, as Zojha has correctly said in a different post:

Oh look, it's this topic again!

And now we can regurgitate again how you don't need a parser, why you do need a parser, how a parser makes everything better, how a parser makes everything worse, try and fail to make compromises, then we can call out each other for lying or fear-mongering again, insult each other as elitist/filthy casual, put up some gifs, wait 'til someone puts the discussion back on track, then start anew from the beginning.

I'm not sure why I bother at times, but I do and then I shake my head. lol.

[Zojha]

Ah well, as Zojha has correctly said in a different post:

Which reminds me: I didn't even want to get engaged in the topic again. Guess snuggles successfully triggered me >.>

[Ghishlain]

Which reminds me: I didn't even want to get engaged in the topic again. Guess snuggles successfully triggered me >.>

It's okay, your post triggered me to make a reply =p Let's call it even? lol.

[Azazua_azura]

Go to ff11 forums, look up "gear-swap" That is the type of community you pro parser are asking for and IS whats going to happen.

All this bickering is just a rehash from ff11 and the "gear swap" mentality. I do not want DF leveling to be turned into exclusionary "top dps or gtfo" You guys keep claiming it doesn't happen, but it did in FF11 I couldn't level or do non end game content on a fresh character w/o some jack arse insulting me calling me human filth for not gear swaping.

it was a trend started in 2010-2011 where players (mainly pc due to plug ins) would create multiple gear sets for each individual attack to get the most out of it. At first it was just an endgame thing, then it trickled down to even leveling. If u was a ps2/360 player and had nmo macro room or will to get ALL the gear required, you was called a bad player, lazy, human filth. Told to quict because you wasdted everyones time.

[BigRed5392]

First, you're a prime example of why the anti-parsing argument is immature and naive. If you nearly resorted to transferring servers because a few people harassed you over being a new tank, that's a serious problem. Not everyone is going to have only nice things to say. In fact, not everyone SHOULD have only nice things to say. You can't merely run away from every less-than-flowery thing someone says on the internet. The true solution, the one that would solve the whole situation, is that people need to grow up. So what if people are asshats? At the end of the day is it really going to harm you? Brush it off and move on like an adult. Everyone else has to do it. Its an unavoidable fact of life that people are horrible - each and every one of them. Just deal with it like we all have to.

Second, no one is getting banned for saying they use a parser. Not a single person. Ever. The devs all acknowledge that raiders use them and they've blatantly stated they aren't going to do anything about it as long as dps shaming doesn't get reported.

Third, the downside to not having a parser? Not everyone is like you and content to frolic through the fields of La Noscea. Some people want to be good at what they do. You know how people get better at things? Practice and quantifiable measurements. Without those measurements for comparison, no one ever knows they're truly improving. It goes for anything. Literally anything ever.

I play on PS4 and main smn. I have never been parsed willingly and don't care to be parsed. I dont need to know numbers to know how good i am doing. Just attack a mob solo (like the b rank hunt or striking dummy) and watch how fast it dies. if it takes a long time, I know i need to improve my dps. I dont need to see the parser data to know if my dps is good or not.

Devs acknowledge that raiders are using parsers, but that doesnt mean it is not reportable.

and harassment like what azazura got (I was there for most of it) was uncalled for. since we transfered to tonberry, there has been very little if any harassment. Before we transfered, we ran an AK run (her first run and she was pld) and she didnt know what mobs could be ignored and what mobs couldnt. she just pulled (small pulls) and we started out killing everything in the dungeon. the WHM ended up going ahead and pulling the next set of unskippable mobs while me and the pther dps were helping azazura kill the ones she pulled. I wasnt complaining...free gil (lol). the WHM almost died cause they pulled the next set of mobs and blamed her for that cause she pulled skippable mobs and didnt know they could be skipped, and insulted her because of it. we eventually kicked the whm just to have them rejoin again in-progress (glad they made it impossible to do that). and the WHM was complaining cause she was pulling small and relatively slow cause she didnt know what could be skipped. the WHM not only insulted her as a player, but also personal insults which is never called for in an online game. and that wasnt the first time stuff like that happened to her. it also happened while she was lving.

[Ghishlain]

Go to ff11 forums, look up "gear-swap" That is the type of community you pro parser are asking for and IS whats going to happen.

All this bickering is just a rehash from ff11 and the "gear swap" mentality. I do not want DF leveling to be turned into exclusionary "top dps or gtfo" You guys keep claiming it doesn't happen, but it did in FF11 I couldn't level or do non end game content on a fresh character w/o some jack arse insulting me calling me human filth for not gear swaping.

it was a trend started in 2010-2011 where players (mainly pc due to plug ins) would create multiple gear sets for each individual attack to get the most out of it. At first it was just an endgame thing, then it trickled down to even leveling. If u was a ps2/360 player and had nmo macro room or will to get ALL the gear required, you was called a bad player, lazy, human filth. Told to quict because you wasdted everyones time.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.

Gearswap / Windower provided players with the means to do the 12-14 equipment swaps required to maximize their potential in combat at the touch of a button. This was a huge differences compared to how a PS2/360/non-modded-PC player would need to hit 2-3 macros for a gear change then hit them with a weaponskill / spell for maximum effect. This became so mainstream that S-E had to eventually introduce their own "set save" mechanic that can be called upon by a macro to do the same thing and even built their fights around challenging these tiers of players. In short, gearswap / windower was a performance enhancing tool that became mainstream due to optimization.

A parser is just a tool to help players calculate their raw numbers and see what they can do to improve themselves. A parser does not affect the performance of the player directly whereas Gearswap / Windower does in FFXI. You won't see that kind of degradation of player here because parser is a performance measuring tool, not a performance enhancing tool.

Jerks will continue to be jerks regardless if they have access to a parser or not.

I play on PS4 and main smn. I have never been parsed willingly and don't care to be parsed. I dont need to know numbers to know how good i am doing. Just attack a mob solo (like the b rank hunt or striking dummy) and watch how fast it dies. if it takes a long time, I know i need to improve my dps. I dont need to see the parser data to know if my dps is good or not.

Devs acknowledge that raiders are using parsers, but that doesnt mean it is not reportable.

and harassment like what azazura got (I was there for most of it) was uncalled for. since we transfered to tonberry, there has been very little if any harassment. Before we transfered, we ran an AK run (her first run and she was pld) and she didnt know what mobs could be ignored and what mobs couldnt. she just pulled (small pulls) and we started out killing everything in the dungeon. the WHM ended up going ahead and pulling the next set of unskippable mobs while me and the pther dps were helping azazura kill the ones she pulled. I wasnt complaining...free gil (lol). the WHM almost died cause they pulled the next set of mobs and blamed her for that cause she pulled skippable mobs and didnt know they could be skipped, and insulted her because of it. we eventually kicked the whm just to have them rejoin again in-progress (glad they made it impossible to do that). and the WHM was complaining cause she was pulling small and relatively slow cause she didnt know what could be skipped. the WHM not only insulted her as a player, but also personal insults which is never called for in an online game. and that wasnt the first time stuff like that happened to her. it also happened while she was lving.

That's unfortunate that that had happened and I'm sorry that it did. Unfortunately, there will be people in this community who are like that and there's not much you can do about that but grit your teeth and hope karma kicks them in the tail.

While I've personally had my fair share of stupid people to deal with (and funny enough, the worst person I've had to deal with also came from AK), I've only had one incident where parsing was used to harassment in the 2+ years I've played (and from my understanding that person got GM'd to death).

The tool won't suddenly make player's have a terrible attitude. It's the player's with terrible attitude that will always have a terrible attitude.

[Elazu]

Stuff

What does this have to do with OP wanting a personal parser for self-improvement and people like Azazua being against that?