Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Gilraen]

I think what really needs to change is the notion that someone can't improve without some form of external quantifier beyond what you can see in everyday execution. I'm not that different from the ex-lalafell, I've been gaming for decades and not once have I needed some calculator hovering over me to improve. I just play, keep an eye out for what hits harder in what order, repeat it and if it's consistent I remember it. If not, I try a different routine. It's not that hard to do. If someone suggests a different way I give it a try and give credit where credit is due if it works for me. If not, or if it's something I'm already doing, I still thank them for the suggestion. But it's still all very capable without a parser. All a parser is is a calculator. If you need a calculator to improve that's fine, more power to you, but don't assume noone else can't without it.

[Zojha]

Oh look, it's this topic again!

And now we can regurgitate again how you don't need a parser, why you do need a parser, how a parser makes everything better, how a parser makes everything worse, try and fail to make compromises, then we can call out each other for lying or fear-mongering again, insult each other as elitist/filthy casual, put up some gifs, wait 'til someone puts the discussion back on track, then start anew from the beginning.

[Makado]

Except there is only one correct side, there should be a parser. The only counter argument is people whining because they wouldn't have an excuse to play badly anymore, they have the tool to learn correctly.

[Fourbestintoner]

Obviously you don't need a parser to improve, but when the majority of the playerbase does less damage than what they should be doing just doing their 1-2-3 combo there is an issue, good thing there is a solution.

[zosia]

The people defending the idea of having no official in-game parser are doing nothing but handicapping a large protion of the player base.

Many PC players use parsers. Parsers are not going any where. We use parsers because there are fights that have very hard enrage timers and dps checks. PS3 and PS4 players can't parse without a friend helping them out. This is a terrible handicap that any parser opponents are inadvertently perpetuating.

Just get over your fears of harassment. Like others have said in this thread, we have GMs for a reason. If you're getting harassed, contact a GM.

[Kosmos992k]

Just get over your fears of harassment. Like others have said in this thread, we have GMs for a reason. If you're getting harassed, contact a GM.

Stop downplaying the potential for harassment, it's a very real fear, it just doesn't mesh with your personal desires with regard to parser use. As for having GMs for a reason, yeah, we have them, but I am not sure of the reason. Based on personal experience and the experience of many of my friends, GMs are reluctant to do much of anything unless a completely egregious offense has been committed.

[zosia]

Stop downplaying the potential for harassment, it's a very real fear, it just doesn't mesh with your personal desires with regard to parser use. As for having GMs for a reason, yeah, we have them, but I am not sure of thereason. Based on personal experience and the experience of many of my friends, GMs are reluctant to do much of anything unless a completely egregious offense has been committed.

As it should be. This game would have no players if a GM banned people over some mary sue getting super offended for one reason or another. I have no personal desires with a parser because I have access to them with virtually no penalty looming over my head *if I choose to use them (/snicker).

And you know what? I still call bad players out, without citing a parser. So, this whole sense of "we need to protect people from harassment" is just a poor strawman. People already get called out, it's not something that will go away. Parsers are not going away and people like you are creating two tiers of players by trying to police interactions over the internet.

Even just a personal parser would suffice, but that's just too much for you isnt it? Afraid that the sever lack of skill in this game will become blatant when people parse garbage numbers? Again, I feel legitimately sorry for players like the OP. They want to improve and they can't because of players like you. You rather make ps3 and ps4 players second class gamers to create some safe space that is not needed. We already have GMs, you just don't like that fact because it pokes a giant hole in your parser narrative.

I have my parser access, so I am happy. How about you stop being so selfish, grow a thicker skin, understand the internet is full of jerks regardless of parsers, and help players like the OP help themselves.

[Gilraen]

The problem of 'just leave it to the GMs' is how many GMs do you think we have? The GMs have to deal with alot more than just calls on harassment, which are probably alot of calls ranging from chat harassment to abuses of the /vote systems. There's the thousands of RMT reports, bot reports, bug assistance. They are busy people and often deal with issues as they get them, meaning your harassment report could take hours to resolve. By that time you've done moved on and likely only remember the other person's name because you wrote it down. Assuming you did write it down. Making your defense of potential harassment from parsers, "Leave it to the GMs." is incredibly shallow. We, as a community, need to make such potential harassment a sticking point of any parser use and actively try to keep the abuse to a minimum.

[Kosmos992k]

How about you stop being so selfish, grow a thicker skin, understand the internet is full of jerks regardless of parsers, and help players like the OP help themselves.

This is the only reply you will get from me in this topic. I understand perfectly that the Internet is full of jerks. Interesting that you just default to insulting someone in your reply. What was that about the Internet and jerks again?

[Ryel]

Stop downplaying the potential for harassment, it's a very real fear.

Except that it isn't as it's been brought up and disproven in literally every single thread that this debate has taken place in.

That argument is the last bastion of defense against parsers that keeps being used as a counter in lieu of an actual argument against their use, and it's one that is far from legitimate.

In fact you can look at WoW, the game with arguably the largest sample size in the world and see how this isn't a real issue over large sample sizes, this video actually talks about this:

WoW: Accessibility and Apathy

We also know that harassment already happens regardless of players having a parser or not as another player has already done an independent study on this with an admittedly small sample size here:

FFXIV Parsing: Is banning it actually preventing arrogance, or fueling it?

Additionally Yoshida has been interviewed multiple times about this subject and then development team has no fears about any negative community issues from parser use as seen here:

Lindsay talks w/Naoki Yoshida - Final Fantasy XIV PS4 Beta Event

If you really need to see this argument done to death 100 times though you're welcome to take many of the responses from this 80 page thread that disprove the thought that theres a "real fear" of harassment from the addition of a parsing tool.

The Real Problem with Parsers

Nobody is downplaying anything, if anything the arguments against the addition of a parser are playing up small issues into something greater than they are when yes, we do have a competent GM staff that can sort out issues of real player harassment.