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  1. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    We do have hypercharge, but I don't think it is as good as Foe. That's why I assume that Dismantle and Mind rend were created to help a bit with the balance between the jobs.
    Depends on what you mean by that, and even then we don't need to homogenize the two jobs even more than they already are. Hypercharge has the capability to increase physical damage taken, something that BRD doesn't have, as well as the option to do a weaker variation of foe's. Dismantle/Rend works as a psuedo virus for 5% to reduce damage taken.
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  2. #172
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    Temisu Namisu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    We do have hypercharge, but I don't think it is as good as Foe. That's why I assume that Dismantle and Mind rend were created to help a bit with the balance between the jobs.
    I view it as MCH having many options for how they approach a situation.

    Like BRD, they have the MP or TP option (or neither when not needed) which is typical of the support style role in XIV.

    MCH also have:

    Stun or Silence
    Heavy or Bind
    Reduce physical damage or reduce magical damage
    Increase physical damage or increase magical damage

    Bard, however, doesn't have that kind of play. It gets only gets one choice: Silence - no Stun, Bind - no Heavy, increase magical damage - no physical alternative. They don't get any option for reducing damage.

    It's the adaptability of a MCH over a BRD that I find more interesting and appealing, even if only one of those two options can be used at a time. Whilst the effects might not be strong on their own, as a package it's pretty reasonable and balanced.
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  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post

    Stun or Silence
    Heavy or Bind
    Reduce physical damage or reduce magical damage
    Increase physical damage or increase magical damage


    It's the adaptability of a MCH over a BRD that I find more interesting and appealing, even if only one of those two options can be used at a time. Whilst the effects might not be strong on their own, as a package it's pretty reasonable and balanced.
    Half of those things don't work in a raid/dungeon/diadem setting though, and the other half works on such a small value it doesn't necessarily amount to an edge over BRD (and if it does, then that becomes another problem). It's different, but that's about it when it comes to comparing to the two, how they play and what they provide. It falls back to me preferring that they had homogenized their role and what they can do for the party, not how they play or how they do the former.
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  4. #174
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    Isra Daisy
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    Gilgamesh
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Guys this is one of my cleanest shots () at Thordan Ex, and I would like to receive some tips from all of you, I'd really appreciate it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqbydDS1kdw

    Thanks!
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  5. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by Israacf View Post
    Guys this is one of my cleanest shots () at Thordan Ex, and I would like to receive some tips from all of you, I'd really appreciate it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqbydDS1kdw

    Thanks!
    Not to open the can of worms with GB toggling being a dps increase or not when oGCDs aren't active, from what I see you aren't leaving it off long to get in any auto attacks at times, on top of playing on a controller/legacy camera, there would be times that you aren't facing the boss for auto attacks and losing out on the 30% boost on your weaponskills. Assuming it's a really small gain, it's relatively high risk if you're not able to squeeze in those auto attacks because you don't leave it on for long enough.

    I also noticed that you're double tapping oGCDs without instant casts or during rapid fire. It can delay your weaponskill usage and depending on yur SS, can mean the difference of getting the 8th weaponskill for wildfire.
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  6. #176
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    im not sure this was discussed earlier but ,,,, sigh, Heavensfire and i210 guns (eso and gordian), they all have the same physical damage value at 68 :/

    Heavensfire vs Ferdinand:

    Ferdinand = WD68, 71crit, 102 ss :x
    Heavensfire = WD68, 68cit, 93det

    if you are unlucky with A4 drops i would stick with the Thordan gun and give the Gobdip to someone else who might benefit from it more. ; ;
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  7. #177
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty-handed View Post
    im not sure this was discussed earlier but ,,,, sigh, Heavensfire and i210 guns (eso and gordian), they all have the same physical damage value at 68 :/

    Heavensfire vs Ferdinand:

    Ferdinand = WD68, 71crit, 102 ss :x
    Heavensfire = WD68, 68cit, 93det

    if you are unlucky with A4 drops i would stick with the Thordan gun and give the Gobdip to someone else who might benefit from it more. ; ;
    Gordian gun still has better stat distribution (more crit than det) and dex to boot. Though I do agree that an upgraded ferdanid is not worth the investment if the alternative is someone getting a 210 eso weapon (which actually comes with a WD increase)
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  8. #178
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    Not to open the can of worms with GB toggling being a dps increase or not when oGCDs aren't active, from what I see you aren't leaving it off long to get in any auto attacks at times, on top of playing on a controller/legacy camera, there would be times that you aren't facing the boss for auto attacks and losing out on the 30% boost on your weaponskills. Assuming it's a really small gain, it's relatively high risk if you're not able to squeeze in those auto attacks because you don't leave it on for long enough.

    I also noticed that you're double tapping oGCDs without instant casts or during rapid fire. It can delay your weaponskill usage and depending on yur SS, can mean the difference of getting the 8th weaponskill for wildfire.
    Got it, thanks! I'll try to improve on that!
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  9. #179
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    Can I get away with playing without Gauss Barrel? How much would my DPS loss be? I really don't like the cast timer and it has turned me completely off the class.
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  10. #180
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    All other things aside, Ricochet and Gauss Round both require Gauss Barrel to be on to be used at all, so I imagine it would be pretty massive.
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