Deliverance rant

[Syzygian]

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Actually I should be using Triple Cleave, because I'm lvl 57. I also pull big so its actually necessary for me to not sit in Deliverance 24/7.

[Tyrial]

The vast majority of average players aren't going to outperform the minority of really good players.

Who knew.

Did you even read what I was responding to? lol What you said was exactly the point I was making...

[Tyrial]

Actually I should be using Triple Cleave, because I'm lvl 57. GG.

Because I totally know what your job levels are, right? We're having a discussion about WAR at 60...safe to assume since you felt the need to comment on playing your WAR that you were actually running "end game" stuff on it.

[Syzygian]

Because I totally know what your job levels are, right? We're having a discussion about WAR at 60...safe to assume since you felt the need to comment on playing your WAR that you were actually running "end game" stuff on it.

Well, the OP is about dungeons, not savage raiding (which I do participate in, WAR is not my main), so I was responding in that context. :P

[Ralvenom]

So...instead of yelling at the WAR to keep aggro, you came here and complained?...

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

I stance dance plenty (though I open every pull with Defiance) and healers still dps just fine. When I am running Berserk + Bloodbath my self healing is really good, and the pack melts.

[Aurius]

OK, I figured I'd share something that has made my life as a warrior a million times better, the double infuriate. Some of you already know, but its possible to get two infuriates per trash pull. Well before you pull, pop infuriate and wait for the timer count down to close to 0. Then use raw intuition or vengeance (or your stack combo if you have time, and CD should be situational) and use unchained. The goal is to be popping your CD and unchained at the beginning of your pull. Once unchained is off, switch to deliverance, you should now be ready to use ir, zerk, bb, as you've hopefully set yourself up with stacks. Then use triple zerk decimate (weave in fracture, but use it when you have 5 abandon stacks for extra crit), you have a huge hate lead and the mob is burnt as your pacified. I also do this for bosses, but I use fell cleave instead of decimate. Another happy tidbit, use thrill of battle in defiance. It heals 20% of total health, and in defiance is does more!

[SpookyGhost]

It's not really worth waiting 30s+ before you even pull trash. Also to do a triple Decimate, you would be spending every single other GCD doing single target, so you'll do less DPS overall.

It works for bosses for the triple Fell Cleave, but I wouldn't recommend it for dungeons unless you're walking into that boss with 5 stacks from the previous trash pull.

[StouterTaru]

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So you're taking nearly a full minute between trash pulls for CDs?

The biggest problem is new-to-60 tanks taking advice meant for fully geared tanks. If you are very outgeared by the dps, just focus on holding hate and forget about maxing out dps. If you are geared similarly to the dps, then you can try and squeeze out more damage.

[warren-ragnarok]

sounds like you had a bad tank lol, you have my sympathy, especially as a person that mains war currently, and been playing it for a long while. but in all truth as well, you can kind of blame SE for it, because the only true advantage now of using defiance is the health boost, enmity boost, and self heals boost (yes, thats right, heals from a healer dont get the 20% boost anymore) so in some cases, deliverance is better. but if the tank isnt bright enough to know that he needs defiance to hold hate, he shouldnt be a tank.

next time you come across a war like that, you should kick them for "different play styles"