Deliverance rant

[Rawrz]

Off tank Warriors that sit in deliverance before pull, with a SCH in party, bug me. Dx I mean c'mon. If this fight has any aoe in the beginning spreading Adlo is very helpful. xD The ones that pop Conva and are in Defiance have my eternal love. <3 :3

[bounddreamer]

Oh god please don't lump this Bad in with the rest of us. Any warrior worth his axe knows when to use Deliverance and when to use Defiance. And it's possible to tank a whole dungeon in Deliverance IF you're geared well (as good or better than your dps) and you're with a healer you know and trust or you ask first and try a small pull.

That guy was Bad and not representative of real Warriors. I had a bad DRK this morning when I was running SCH. Doesn't meant they're all bads.

[SpookyGhost]

Off tank Warriors that sit in deliverance before pull, with a SCH in party, bug me. Dx I mean c'mon. If this fight has any aoe in the beginning spreading Adlo is very helpful. xD The ones that pop Conva and are in Defiance have my eternal love. <3 :3

Very rarely will SCHs actually bother, unfortunately, and it sucks to pop Conva and have it do nothing. ):

[Whiteroom]

I hear you. WAR has become what I thought DRK was going to be. A bunch of dps running around thinking dps is all there is to tanking. Whats dodging or defensive CD again?

[bounddreamer]

I hear you. WAR has become what I thought DRK was going to be. A bunch of dps running around thinking dps is all there is to tanking. Whats dodging or defensive CD again?

Seriously - this isn't a WAR thing. It's a bad tank thing. Any tank that runs the wrong stance, fails to hold threat, and doesn't use cooldowns is just bad.

And honestly? The fact that WAR can out dps a lot of actual dps players if that WAR is playing their job right means a lot of dps players are just bad.

[MeridaQ]

Yeah this is just a bad tanking thing, I have many people in my FC who say DRK and WAR tanks are squishy and I just have to keep saying that those are just bad tanks. Sorry that there are so many people having issues with this but let's not keep this misconception going. I teach people how to tank all the time, so hopefully someone will do the same for those learning tanking. Anyways sorry OP hope it gets better and if they are on Ultos point them my way.

[Whiteroom]

Seriously - this isn't a WAR thing. It's a bad tank thing. Any tank that runs the wrong stance, fails to hold threat, and doesn't use cooldowns is just bad.

And honestly? The fact that WAR can out dps a lot of actual dps players if that WAR is playing their job right means a lot of dps players are just bad.

Tbh, its far more prevalent with WARs, so yes it is a WAR thing. I would say that probably 4/5 WARs I run into are just dps who like a big axe.

Also, if you wanted to do the whole "its a bad tank thing", you may as well have gone with a "It's a bad player thing"

And honestly, any tank or healer role can out dps a large portion of the current dps players. Sadly, even PLD.

[bounddreamer]

I run heals and dps as well as tanking, and I'd have to disagree. I was seeing far more DRKs running without Grit than WAR running Deliverance only. And I do a ton of dungeon running and hunting. It's leveled off and most people still playing seem to be playing their tank jobs properly if they've stuck with it. But I'm still getting more bad DRK players in roulette than bad WARs.

[MeridaQ]

Tbh, its far more prevalent with WARs, so yes it is a WAR thing.

Also, if you wanted to do the whole "its a bad tank thing", you may as well have gone with a "It's a bad player thing"
.

Being a bad tank does not equate to a bad player, please don't make that assumption. I know many people who are great at another role(caster, healer, etc) and not good at tanking and vice versa. There are many people trying out tanks now that just aren't familiar with how the class plays. Help those that are learning if they ask and be patient. If it doesn't workout you can make a choice, just have fun.

[Syzygian]

When i war in dungeons i only go into deliverance for triple-cleave, which you actually pop a fair few defensive cds for. After the double or triple cleave is done i'm back in defiance. Havent had a problem yet. I start and end each pull in defiance 99% of the time.