Deliverance rant

[AniCelestine]

"OH THE WAR WANT TO BE DPS, THEN I WANT TOO !"
*click on CS*
"Be prepared it's gonna hurt"

And what do you achieve with that? If you're not gonna dps and the warrior knows how to manage it why'd you go and fuck it up intentionally?

If sch dps: wait till you see bane going off and verify Cleric stance is off, then you can start with deliverance.

If whm is dpsing: wait till stun takes effect from holy, start dpsing during stun, if it looks like whm won't stop at when stunning is resisted, revert back to defiance and be prepared to use equilibrium (with the berserk you still should have up cause of deliverance phase)

If AST dps: just stick with that defiance cause there's really no way to exploit deliverance (or I haven't figured atleast. Unless you can have berserk + bloodbath + vengeance + over power spam and have equilibrium and thrill of battle ready to use in emergencies, but I'd still just advice with not using it really, since you could do unchained + CD's mentioned above and infuriate IB to get some more selfheals.)

If healer not dpsing: make sure you can hold the aggro and have CD's to make it happen properly (of course in all the cases you should have these conditions met)

[Mendalas]

If AST dps: just stick with that defiance cause there's really no way to exploit deliverance

Between essential dignity, synastry, and lightspeed, its pretty easy as long as the warrior is competent. Especially since the cd's are fairly short on those abilities as well. It's not just with AST that a war has to use at least 1 cd when switching to deliverance (in terms of trash pulls). It's with any other healer that doesn't enjoy spamming heals until they are oom. The point of the thread was that any healer turns into a healbot with these warriors that sit in deliverance and pop no cd's to make up for it. They just take too much damage.

[Freyyy]

If sch dps: wait till you see bane going off and verify Cleric stance is off, then you can start with deliverance.

Actually if the healer is DPSing you can go Deliverance as soon as your HP bar hits 75% because your healer isn't healing you so Defiance is basically doing nothing here and will not make the healer switch back to healing later or whatever.

Edit : Just wanted to add that Defiance is better when used while the healer is healing you, it's not the other way around. Defiance is useless if you're not receiving any heal and you don't need the extra HP/don't have them anymore. It's completely different than Shield Oath/Grit, these ones actually reduce the incoming damage, so keeping it up while the healer is DPSing will actually help him staying in Cleric Stance longer.

[AniCelestine]

Actually if the healer is DPSing you can go Deliverance as soon as your HP bar hits 75% because your healer isn't healing you so Defiance is basically doing nothing here and will not make the healer switch back to healing later or whatever.

Well, I was thinking about a situation like for example 1st pull in fractal continuum where you're taking quite some dmg and thought you'd let the sch heal you up close to 80% of your hp from that 30-50% you dropped to.

But that's something you could consider with whm healing when they're casting aero III followed by holy and you get hit down somewhat around that 75% mark before stun takes effect (depends on the HoT ticks) gotta admit I hadn't thought of that.

[Nekotee]

And what do you achieve with that? If you're not gonna dps and the warrior knows how to manage it why'd you go and fuck it up intentionnaly

I fuck it up on purpose only if the warrior refuse to switch in défiance when he need to.
I will always start healing, but toy with me, force me to blow up all my CD in one pack and you're gonna end up on the ground.

A good war start in défiance and switch when he has enough aggro.

I won't compensate mistake nor lazyness for defense cooldown