Deliverance rant

[Nadirah]

Why do you as Whitemage stance dance with Cleric's Stance? Surely it'd be better if you just kept it off so your healing potency is always at max. On bosses, sure, but on trash?

I do more DPS with Holy spam than you know. Trash dies fast. Noticeably faster.

[Lastelli]

The problem there is that the tank was an idiot, probably not using any cd, maybe undergeared, not using the right rotation since in deliverance you have to use an aggressive play style to build enough aggro and so on. But even a good war in deliverance will loose the aggro contest against a very good dps...anyway shame on him for not turning defiance on when the blm got aggro. You should have kicked him...leaving the dungeon and letting this dps wannabe believe that they're so good is detrimental for every other healer he'll be paired with in the future. Deliverance is great but a tank that doesn't adjust to the party's needs deserves the boot.

[ArdorGrey]

Unchained nullifies the damage penalty of defiance...(healer main here).

Please don't tell an educated War that you know how to play their job better than they do. If berserk and bloodbath are up the extra crit rate from the wrath stacks combined with the 5% base damage boost are generally more valuable (for raw healing, let alone dps) than sitting in defiance, especially if you fit 1-2 decimates into that berserk window.

DF is a two way street: for every dozen bad wars you healers get that can't manage their CD's properly we Wars get a dozen healers that don't do simple good practices like maintaining regen and med 2 uptime. holy? WAT!? y u use dat!?

I generally get complimented by my healers for being able to push big pulls and deliverance uptime on bosses. Of course, I also rarely if ever even get comms on said runs. So maybe the healer is going out of their way to verbally stroke me while inwardly wishing I would bugger off. or maybe they're just the sort of people that don't comm.

[ArdorGrey]

(not that anyone, specially warriors, would read)

bold mine.

this comment makes me think your entire post is just bait. you clearly don't have a problem with just bad deliverance wars, or even deliverance wars regardless of skill: you clearly have a negative predisposition against anyone who plays the class, period, and framing this as a "discussion" while having a derogatory comment like this in your first post is comical.

Anyway: Humoring you past that I can agree that a warrior who was literally deliverance full time and never used cd's would be miserable for a whm who was using a good aoe rotation. Probably a whm who was using a bad one too; there is frankly way too many ambiguities here to determine where the fault specifically lies.

but deliverance can actually result in more healing than defiance under the right circumstances, particularly when paired with a bad healer, since WAR's tank stance is more reliant on healer performance to sustain par than ShO or Grit, and conversely berserked bloodbathed vengeanced op spam couched between properly timed decimates will heal us more than a bad cure 1 spammer ever will if they're trying to squeeze out awkwardly timed holys on the side.

[Lastelli]

DF is a two way street: for every dozen bad wars you healers get that can't manage their CD's properly we Wars get a dozen healers that don't do simple good practices like maintaining regen and med 2 uptime. holy? WAT!? y u use dat!?

As a healer main I agree that there are a lot of very bad healers in this game, just like there are many bad tanks and dps, but always remember that if you find a good healer who's willing to dps, the healer's dps>>>> the increase in dps you can achieve by doing big pulls in deliverance instead of defiance. I encourage you to start pulling in defiance and decide whether to use defiance or deliverance depending on whether or not your healer is doing dps.

[Nekotee]

Haha

It remain me at the beginning I was like it must not be this bad...
Then as a new AST before the AST up... I just could heal the war... Like even using all my skill his HP won't go up
I panic and click CS thinking it was on... But no and there he died (my heal went from low to 0)

Then he put défiance, pestering about a useless heal i was...
And hé didn't died anymore XD

Now i apply a simple rule :

"OH THE WAR WANT TO BE DPS, THEN I WANT TOO !"
*click on CS*
"Be prepared it's gonna hurt"

[raela]

This has been interesting read. I have been pondering for a while why do I kinda dislike healing warriors. This pretty much explains it.

When I first started, I hated healing warriors and much preferred paladins. I'm not sure if I just had some really bad warriors, or I wasn't used to how much more their HP changes.

Now? I love a good war in ex roulette. Both of us stance dancing and packs melt. <3 Plus I can rely on my fairy to heal them for bosses.

[Mendalas]

Please don't tell an educated War that you know how to play their job better than they do. If berserk and bloodbath are up the extra crit rate from the wrath stacks combined with the 5% base damage boost are generally more valuable (for raw healing, let alone dps) than sitting in defiance, especially if you fit 1-2 decimates into that berserk window.

It doesn't seem like you read my whole post. I was commenting on the fact that the SpookyGhost was essentially using all his wrath stacks on unchained for 2-3 OP's only to change to deliverance well before unchained was over when he could save the stacks for switching to deliverance for double decimate with infuriate. When did I ever say I know how to play a job better than anyone? I guess you are one of those warriors that this thread is about. Either that or you pick and choose what you read out of a post only to reply to it and sound extremely ignorant.

[AniCelestine]

"OH THE WAR WANT TO BE DPS, THEN I WANT TOO !"
*click on CS*
"Be prepared it's gonna hurt"

And what do you achieve with that? If you're not gonna dps and the warrior knows how to manage it why'd you go and fuck it up intentionally?

If sch dps: wait till you see bane going off and verify Cleric stance is off, then you can start with deliverance.

If whm is dpsing: wait till stun takes effect from holy, start dpsing during stun, if it looks like whm won't stop at when stunning is resisted, revert back to defiance and be prepared to use equilibrium (with the berserk you still should have up cause of deliverance phase)

If AST dps: just stick with that defiance cause there's really no way to exploit deliverance (or I haven't figured atleast. Unless you can have berserk + bloodbath + vengeance + over power spam and have equilibrium and thrill of battle ready to use in emergencies, but I'd still just advice with not using it really, since you could do unchained + CD's mentioned above and infuriate IB to get some more selfheals.)

If healer not dpsing: make sure you can hold the aggro and have CD's to make it happen properly (of course in all the cases you should have these conditions met)

[Mendalas]

If AST dps: just stick with that defiance cause there's really no way to exploit deliverance

Between essential dignity, synastry, and lightspeed, its pretty easy as long as the warrior is competent. Especially since the cd's are fairly short on those abilities as well. It's not just with AST that a war has to use at least 1 cd when switching to deliverance (in terms of trash pulls). It's with any other healer that doesn't enjoy spamming heals until they are oom. The point of the thread was that any healer turns into a healbot with these warriors that sit in deliverance and pop no cd's to make up for it. They just take too much damage.