Deliverance rant

[Syzygian]

When i war in dungeons i only go into deliverance for triple-cleave, which you actually pop a fair few defensive cds for. After the double or triple cleave is done i'm back in defiance. Havent had a problem yet. I start and end each pull in defiance 99% of the time.

[Tyrial]

When i war in dungeons i only go into deliverance for triple-cleave, which you actually pop a fair few defensive cds for. After the double or triple cleave is done i'm back in defiance. Havent had a problem yet. I start and end each pull in defiance 99% of the time.

Only time you should be using Fell Cleave is on a single mob, if there are two or more up Decimate always wins. The only time Defiance is needed is if you've got a dumb healer or you're not up to par with your gear and can't handle the incoming damage. Not throwing you under the bus or saying you're bad, but if you're familiar with WAR then you're just gimping yourself by sitting in Defiance so much. It literally does nothing meaningful for us defensively aside from giving access to Inner Beast and a small HP bonus (which is meaningless once you're starting to take damage).

Honestly, this is what happens when game developers pander to gamers who think tactics are breath mints. You get tanks who don't know the fundamentals of the role (or ignore them completely when told of them) and think they're something they're not. I appreciate doing decent damage to maintain an enemy's attention but I know that my primary duty as a tank is to keep enemies looking at me. In the case of Warrior, that means using Defiance first and foremost and using Deliverance when I know no one else has a chance of stealing hate from me.

Edit: As an aside, anyone who says more than 10% (at the most) of DPS players can't out-damage a tank really needs to have a seat. Or meet some actual DPS'ers rather than inventing scarecrows for such absurd arguments.

The vast majority of the DPS you run into in a DF Expert aren't going to pull more DPS than a WAR who understands the job and gears appropriately. Maybe it's just my data center...I don't know. As for your Defiance comment...see above.

[Kabooa]

The vast majority of the DPS you run into in a DF Expert aren't going to pull more DPS than a WAR who understands the job and gears appropriately. Maybe it's just my data center...I don't know. As for your Defiance comment...see above.

The vast majority of average players aren't going to outperform the minority of really good players.

Who knew.

[Whiteroom]

The vast majority of average players aren't going to outperform the minority of really good players.

Who knew.

Actually, it was Average DPS players vs Tank DPS, so its a little different than what you wrote. Well, more than a little. And it was understands their jobs and gears appropriately, not really good minority. So a little different again.

[Tyrial]

The vast majority of average players aren't going to outperform the minority of really good players.

Who knew.

Did you even read what I was responding to? lol What you said was exactly the point I was making...

[Syzygian]

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Actually I should be using Triple Cleave, because I'm lvl 57. I also pull big so its actually necessary for me to not sit in Deliverance 24/7.

[Tyrial]

Actually I should be using Triple Cleave, because I'm lvl 57. GG.

Because I totally know what your job levels are, right? We're having a discussion about WAR at 60...safe to assume since you felt the need to comment on playing your WAR that you were actually running "end game" stuff on it.

[Syzygian]

Because I totally know what your job levels are, right? We're having a discussion about WAR at 60...safe to assume since you felt the need to comment on playing your WAR that you were actually running "end game" stuff on it.

Well, the OP is about dungeons, not savage raiding (which I do participate in, WAR is not my main), so I was responding in that context. :P