Angry Bards

[Atoli]

While I did say before that I don't mind the direction BRD went in, that I like the changes and don't feel like it's bumpy at all, I have to agree that I really don't understand the purpose behind those changes.
What made BRD unique was it's freedom to move whenever it wanted to. Of course, that feature was close to never actually needed, but it made the class UNIQUE. I don't understand why SE would go ahead and make classes more like each other and take their uniqueness away without a reason.

Ultimately, I can deal with the WM BRD just fine and don't dislike it either, but I'd really like to know what the dev team was thinking when they made that change...

[Boss_Koivula]

Why would be the bard the only one is not punished?
We lost our mobility (ha!) in pursuit of more damage.

I don't know where you get this idea from that classes/jobs need to be punished when we move into expansion and get new skills. Like what the actual fuck? We should get skills and traits that expand the already existing ways the jobs operate. Some QoL things like Ironjaws was great. Not slap a bunch of stuff on top of each other without even properly testing them.
Also
damage wise BRDs are on the same spot we were in 2.x, so your delusions of increased dmg aint true. Which is fine as is it.

[Pyroclastic]

Not possible to just git gud? ;/

[TiaHeart]

Arguing from "need" is always a bit iffy.

Agree and disagree 50/50. The overall statement will probably be true, but there definitely are exceptions.

They don't need to do pretty much anything

Yes, they actually do. From a business perspective. If they dont care to do proper business, you are right.

You could use that same argument against literally everything in the expansion

I cant, not while sounding at least somewhat reasonable to followers. I challenge changes that imho are bad, do not comment on those I dont care for and applaud for those i like. You do the same i assume

We don't need new zones, flying, enochian, botd, etc.

Not any of the points isolated, but overall yes. If you push an "expansion" like HW and go further to expect making money/ profit of it without adding anything at all, people might sue for fraud and win the case lol or ignore your product letting you iron out the investments and costs from your personal wallet at least

But it's the way they wanted to go with it

I guess so

It didn't "need" to stay the way it was, either.

No it didn't. I would actually be disappointed if everything but one thing/class received changes. However i was expecting more gains less losses regarding my own preferances and those of fellow brd people.

But for whatever you say about "need" being iffy, i will come back as follows:
In my oppinion it does not take a rocksolid reason to ADD stuff (pushing an expansion or keeping/increasing subs/customers aside), but if you plan to REMOVE something you better come up with one
(which i just happen to feel they did more to brd than actually add something. This is obviously just an oppinion. Im okay with people saying brd is now more fun to them as ever before. Im less okay with people dismissing different oppinions per se by dealwithit or gitgud or parser. Those terms arent reasonable arguments to me. They are for the ones to lazy to apply logic)

If you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to agree to like it.

I pretty much dont need to do anything. I guess. But i still say what i expect to get for my money D: feedback is always positive as long as it includes arguments.

What RinchanNau and rappa are saying is that the job works fine. There's nothing wrong with it. Some people just don't enjoy it, others do, but there's nothing wrong with it.

My POV: if you change something and less people end up liking it than before, you did bad. Doing bad equals wrong. Am i saying thats how it definitely is backing it up with statistics? No, because I cant. Do i feel thats the way it is? Yes. I may be wrong. Im aware of that.

It doesn't "need" to change.

You are right, it doesnt need to. I still hope for it ^^
The fact they rework brd every patch since hw launch keeps my hopes up, the way HOW they rework it doesnt.
[But yeah, i also think SE isnt at the same prime as square was with the seiken densetsu franchise or ff1-10. Or enix used to be at the same time with their products. So what D: ]

[Sirabit]

When I count the DPS classes in Idyllshire, it is indeed not a lot of Bards in the whole town, compare to what is used to be in the main hubs.

Now #1 is Dragoons, #2 Monks...

Anyone shares the same observation with me?

[rappa]

When I count the DPS classes in Idyllshire, it is indeed not a lot of Bards in the whole town, compare to what is used to be in the main hubs.

Now #1 is Dragoons, #2 Monks...

Anyone shares the same observation with me?

Bandwagon. If a job is to hard to play or need more focus to be played. Then they play others.

[myahele]

For me, it's not that it's hard to play, it just seem boring to play BRD as of now. All the complaints about it certainly doesn't help.

Which is why I decided on MCH as my support dps

[Risvertasashi]

For me, it's not that it's hard to play, it just seem boring to play BRD as of now. All the complaints about it certainly doesn't help.

Which is why I decided on MCH as my support dps

MCH gets mobility from ammo and such and SMN can switch over to Ruin II for filler when they need to move; these two are the best "mobile rdps" classes right now, I think.

[Warlyx]

I don't know where you get this idea from that classes/jobs need to be punished when we move into expansion and get new skills. Like what the actual fuck? We should get skills and traits that expand the already existing ways the jobs operate. Some QoL things like Ironjaws was great. Not slap a bunch of stuff on top of each other without even properly testing them.
Also
damage wise BRDs are on the same spot we were in 2.x, so your delusions of increased dmg aint true. Which is fine as is it.

this , QFE

/10char

[TiaHeart]

Bandwagon. If a job is to hard to play or need more focus to be played. Then they play others.

Frankly, people like you bore me to death. Can you ever pick up a single argument via quote and say it doesnt sound reasonable? You jump into the same discussion 10 times saying "i feel different". Thats ok, you are entitled your oppinion just like evebody else is. But pls 15 posts with 2 arguments? You are a sheep, meh meh meh *post yoshi git gud pic here*

- brds used to not 1 2 3 and could at the expanse of 10 to 20 dps, not 300 for "imperfect rotation" as long as they were fast, hit procs, multidotted, used a reasonable aoe rotation (again, procs/free shots) They cant no more. Aoe rotation doesnt exist. 50 aoe is uhm dead, and 45 only has a point if your party doesnt exceed acc cap for the content (read: high tier raid). They had 3 aoe skills to work with, now its 1. They had 2 dots to keep alive on several targets with single refreshes, now its 1 target 2 dots, 1 refresh skill. Added depth? My ass. My ass

- there used to be 3 types of dd on 6 jobs: melee(3), ranged(1), cast(2). They brought an "expansion" and its 2 types after, with 7 jobs instead of 6. Melee(3) and cast(2)[hybrids(2)] Added stuff? Hahaha