Why Can't Wanderer's Minuet be about Songs?

[Cirdan-Faust]

I really dislike how songs are such a minor part of the strategy of BRD.

Suggestion:

- Wanderer's Minuet increases song potency by 20%. Perhaps instead of clunky cast times it slows the BRD's movement like the skill name sort of implies.
- As an alternative, to bring BRD back to its roots. Make Wanderer's Minuet a ground buff like ley lines that provides a much stronger song buff but makes the BRD unable to attack.
- Make Wardens Paeon a party damage buff like it should be. A physical counterpart of Foe Requiem.
- Minuet strategy is based on buffing the party vs doing more damage. True support.
- No loss of core BRD play style.

Thoughts?

[Jim_Berry]

Why can't LB3 give a 10 second boost to:

HP Regen
MP Regen
TP Regen
Attack damage up
Defense up
Spell Speed up
Skill Speed up

[Warlyx]

SE doesnt want true support jobs , the game doesnt allow that even , because then a bard/mch would need to boost the other 3 dps by A LOT ...think around 40% more damage....in other games support works because raids are lots of ppl (20+) and buffing every1 by 10% is "ok" , but in a 8 man party.....

imo wandered and GB shouled have been about Arrows and Ammunition, and u could change based on what u need even creating some cool combos....

[TiaHeart]

Simply because they felt they nedded to adress 3 points, in a nutshell without givin it much thought
1) brd is smiled upon as "easy to play"
2) brd is smiled upon as "dd with little dps"
3) both certainly being true to an extend. Theres a basic truth behind crowd intelligence stereotypes
They felt they could fix the job in a simple manner, and, urm whatever you see in brd now is the outcome.

They catered to people very well knowing their stuff (regulars, coreplayers) , but arguing from lobbyist standpoint (->non brds thinkin they had a harder job <-, non brds feeling bards in their party dont contribute enough especially melees with no ballad/foe gain, "no cast" 5 melee parties farmin odin dps check "wtf brd? why? heal manage mp n we r good", non bards struggling to pull their own weight, brds doin subpar tryin to cover it somehow etc pp). They adressed the minority of people that had somethin to say, instead of a silent majority

[Alisi]

I just want them to change the name. Why call it 'wanderer' when we're essentially forced to, well, not wander? XD You'd think it would be just the opposite.

[rappa]

They should call "settler's minuet". Would be more precise hahaha

[Erudito]

To me, Bard's wanderers minuet just completely ruined the "feel" of the job. Its numbers as DPS might be good and have good abilities, but it just feels like I am playing a clunky bow mage, not a bard. A bard is all about the songs and music!

For example, a song that gives a buff or regen but it ends upon using another skill/song but while its going on you can move about and auto attacks power and/or speed is boosted.

Or maybe a song that Boots all party members attacks but your own attacks power takes a nasty dive and you can't move or the song stops.

Maybe an attack that has its effect change depending on the song that is playing?

Perhaps changing Wanderer's Paeon so that it costs tons of MP but has an AoE effect and its continuous but you can only walk, auto attacks stop and a skill stops the song.

I don't know, maybe remove Swift Song from the archer line-up and give it along with Ballad at the level 30 job unlock, making room for another skill or moving one from the level 52+ skills to that spot.

I mean come on, the possibilities are near endless and the skills don't have to be super complicated or strict for them to work! just make a good bard. Give it less DPS orientation (adjusting numbers is as simple as adjusting potencies and cooldowns) and more of what a bard is: a singer/story teller that is more than capable with a bow.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

i hope SE doesn't do this crap with any new ranged classes they might add in the future. would be nice to just have a pure ranged DPS, without any casting. they have totally made it so i will become skeptical of any archer-type class in any other game that i may play. i don't think WM totally kills BRD, but adding pretty much the same thing to their new job, the MCH, totally kills the entire notion of an actual ranged DPS being in the game. where are they? may as well give us a buff that temporarily turns our physical attacks in to magic attacks. pft

[Linadae]

I would approve of WM affecting our songs in new and unique ways. As it is, once you put everything down into raw numbers, dps-wise we are in the exact same position we were in in 2.0, 20% behind all of the other dps. Yes, our numbers got bigger, but so did everyone else's. So, we gave up our mobility, smooth and concise gameplay, and what made us a unique job to remain exactly where we were last expansion.

The current version of WM is a mistake. Either it needs to be changed or Archer/Bard needs to be changed from level 1-52. Because let me tell you, having the rug pulled out from under you at level 52 is NOT fun. And I have yet to complete 3.0 because I don't have a class I enjoy playing anymore.

[TiaHeart]

Or maybe a song that Boots all party members attacks but your own attacks power takes a nasty dive and you can't move or the song stops.

For the love of god, no. People will "expect" me to be a pillar letting foe and that run 24/7, move to dodge, turn back into pillar. Im no pillar. I do not want to watch the wallpaint dry. I chose an archer, a fast job xD

just make a good bard. Give it less DPS orientation

No. Support is all good but i want to pew pew as well. Give it less dps than other dds, but still enough to be worth having factoring support in.Thats was the goal ever since, wasnt it?