Angry Bards

[TiaHeart]

Do you

I meant what i wrote. I cant speak for all niche players since im only ONE of them.Personally prefered bard mainly cuz of the pace and activity. Im a person that enjoys doing sports over watching them, takes fast paced action shooters like quake over tactics like cs, etc pp. Playing other classes for sideskills i found myself pickin my nose till it was bleedy instead of mashin buttons.

Blm are punished

Good for them. Do not want

Why would

He was. And still is. He is classified as a damage dealer and out of those afaik (i might be wrong here, im not mister know it all and ps4 no parser wont ever make me) dealing the least damage on level playing fields (perfect other dd vs perfect bard, random vs random etc. NOT perfect bard vs scrub other).

As for the rest recheck my post. Elitism has no relation to my concerns for this classmodification. I beat battletoads. This is not battletoads.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Do you mean "faceroll" niche?

There is no shame in playing a less complex job than another. Different players like different things.

You prefer more complex spec which rewards good play. Other players simply want play a game.

The Bard class already does less dps than the other damage dealers. That is "punishment" enough.

[Boss_Koivula]

Why would be the bard the only one is not punished?
We lost our mobility (ha!) in pursuit of more damage.

I don't know where you get this idea from that classes/jobs need to be punished when we move into expansion and get new skills. Like what the actual fuck? We should get skills and traits that expand the already existing ways the jobs operate. Some QoL things like Ironjaws was great. Not slap a bunch of stuff on top of each other without even properly testing them.
Also
damage wise BRDs are on the same spot we were in 2.x, so your delusions of increased dmg aint true. Which is fine as is it.

[Warlyx]

I don't know where you get this idea from that classes/jobs need to be punished when we move into expansion and get new skills. Like what the actual fuck? We should get skills and traits that expand the already existing ways the jobs operate. Some QoL things like Ironjaws was great. Not slap a bunch of stuff on top of each other without even properly testing them.
Also
damage wise BRDs are on the same spot we were in 2.x, so your delusions of increased dmg aint true. Which is fine as is it.

this , QFE

/10char

[kazeandi]

Punished, punished.
I didn't know this was a game for masochists.
If I feel like being punished I go to a dominatrix. I play computer games for run.

[RiceisNice]

Punished, punished.
I didn't know this was a game for masochists.
If I feel like being punished I go to a dominatrix. I play computer games for run.

People are using the word "punished" too loosely, as if they're going to somehow do less dps for using enochian/botd but failing it, as opposed to not using it at all. The only time I see this truly being the case is BRD with WM (and by extension MCH) and NIN if you're only spamming split/heavy shot or missing GCD usage (in the case of the former), or because they're realistically the only jobs that had changes that potentially "lower" their damage output (missing weaponskill casts or positional on AE in ninja's case), and even then that's really pushing it

I'd say I'm more disappointed than angry.
I feel like with Heavensward Bard just got slower and clunkier. I don't think any of the new abilities are particularly fun or interesting.
I also feel like SE didn't put much effort into designing the Bard abilities for Heavensward and simply copied over their design for MCH.

If Bard had been designed like this from the beginning, say WM was the 30 ability and there weren't issues with proc timing, then I probably wouldn't be complaining. It's just unpleasant losing the playstyle I enjoyed for two years.

I don't expect SE to change things now. Bard is functional and not being excluded from content. I suspect the cast times were purposefully added by SE because they felt the ranged physical dps were getting off too easily with having less to worry about than other classes in terms of positioning and timing.
Perhaps it wasn't fair, but I enjoyed 2.0 Bard while it lasted.

If BRD was definitely designed around having cast times, their oGCD and empyreal usage wouldn't be a bumpy mess the way it is now. And even then, there's a matter of differentiating MCH/BRD from a gameplay perspective, outside of their burst usage and regen (which honestly makes up for a small portion of their tool kit compared to their BnB cycle). I honestly don't like that they're using "mobility" as the justiication to to be the "strength" or defining aspect of a job, especially if they make an ability work entirely around it and make both jobs of the same role ( in this case, BRD and MCH with WM/GB) fill the same niche. People will still gravitate toward the playstyle they like (see BLM and SMN, one ultimately more motile than the other and in some cases, more lenient on optimizing dps) but still have relatively good representation and performance.

[TiaHeart]

Punished, punished.
I didn't know this was a game for masochists.
If I feel like being punished I go to a dominatrix. I play computer games for run.

Dont. Fun is overrated. Git gud. Scrub. What do you mean, you beat a4s blindfolded? But... at least you felt a bit punished while doing so, didnt you? A tiny bit? If you did on your brd im cool, but damn you if you didnt. Cuz... I received my punishs on class xy!

[RussW]

My first 60 was a Bard I wasnt happy about the cast time change and felt it made the class unfun so I made a ninja and a machinist to take advantage of the 190-200 accessories I had acquired. I know of a BRD who refers to himself as a "bow wizard." In comparison to MCH Ive noticed that MCH has the ability to get off a long string of instant cast shots therefore adding back a bunch of mobility that bard doesnt have.

I find it interesting that BRD changes were mentioned in the live letter I wonder if this is going to bring BRD more in line with MCH as far as mobility.

[Atoli]

While I did say before that I don't mind the direction BRD went in, that I like the changes and don't feel like it's bumpy at all, I have to agree that I really don't understand the purpose behind those changes.
What made BRD unique was it's freedom to move whenever it wanted to. Of course, that feature was close to never actually needed, but it made the class UNIQUE. I don't understand why SE would go ahead and make classes more like each other and take their uniqueness away without a reason.

Ultimately, I can deal with the WM BRD just fine and don't dislike it either, but I'd really like to know what the dev team was thinking when they made that change...

[Pyroclastic]

Not possible to just git gud? ;/