Angry Bards

[AskaRay]

Well aside from Savage there really is not any real need for Bards, the content just does not call for it. Future updates and i guess if they make changes then their will be influx again of Bards.
And let's be honest 2.X the amount of "good bards" was very low and that has not changed, lol
I actually see less Monks then anything else these days and do still see Bards. PVP is full of Bards all the time

I think what changed was now there is a wider gap between the bards that do good and the bards that literally only spam Heavy Shot for an hour.
Before you could still tell but it wasn't blatantly obvious. Now though...

[RiceisNice]

I think what changed was now there is a wider gap between the bards that do good and the bards that literally only spam Heavy Shot for an hour.
Before you could still tell but it wasn't blatantly obvious. Now though...

You actually do less damage spamming heavy shot with WM active. Even before WM spamming heavy shot isn't all that stronger to begin with either and it's bad regardless of the change/times. The change, along with the introduction of MCH, has split the BRD population a bit. On my end and a handful of others, we dropped BRD completely because of how disfunctional their flow is compared to MCH. It just ends up not becoming fun to manage.

[Empty-handed]

I expect se to do something about bard 3.1. They had a lot of time to take all the feedback they needed to implement changes.

They need to rework minuet to match the fluidity of gauss barrel. The design currently does not work. glitchy most of the time.

I hope they completely rework minuet.

[RinchanNau]

Doing something to ease up on the TP strain of a 700+ skill speed BRD would be nice. They put so much skill speed on BiS BRD gear. Sitting on 736 right now. Reduced TP cost on Empyreal Arrow or Straighter Shot procs would be more than adequate. Or make each Bloodletter/Rain of Death restore 5 TP.

I understand the mobility concerns, but it honestly is never an issue on any content I've tried as lvl60 BRD: all of Alexander savage, SCoB savage, FCoB, all primals, various dungeons, etc. If you really need to move so much that slide casting isn't enough (very rare) and do not have a straighter shot proc then just toggle off Minuet for a few seconds and get where you need to be. I will not complain if they give BRD more mobility, but I do not see making BRD and MCH feel even more similar as a good thing. MCH being more mobile is perfectly fine to me.

[Velhart]

Well aside from Savage there really is not any real need for Bards, the content just does not call for it. Future updates and i guess if they make changes then their will be influx again of Bards.
And let's be honest 2.X the amount of "good bards" was very low and that has not changed, lol
I actually see less Monks then anything else these days and do still see Bards. PVP is full of Bards all the time

There isn't any content really besides Savage that ideal set ups are taken into heavy consideration.

[TiaHeart]

I understand the mobility concerns, but it honestly is never an issue.

It is an issue because for some, its not about wether it is a concern or the content demanded 100 percent mobility.
No it doesn't. For much content, the "strategy" as a brd is to simply pile up with all melees and stand there 80 percent of the time, just moving out and back in for 1 or 2 enemy casts.
The thing is, i LIKED the freedom. I didnt NEED it.
I personally played BRD for 100 days of playtime because it offered freedom in every aspect. On top of movement, i liked how he didn't ask for those 1-2-3s. Or have cast times. He offered FREEDOM to play spontaneously.yes there have been "perfect" rotations, openers etc. But you know, the "bad" bards didn't necessarily follow them, right? And you COULD go different routes. At the expense of a little dps but not completely butchering yourself down to a point where all other players felt they needed to kick or offend you

[TiaHeart]

Its a bit frustrating and repetitive to ride those "content demands it or not" and BRD players "good enough or to bad" trains every day. We have all thrown in it in here, that, with the exception of savage, content is #%#.[]:$ easy anyway anyhow right? (yaya t5 t9 fcob ok).
BRD was different and unique,until he took an arrow to the knee by se O:-)

mch being more mobile than brd is fine? I dont even understand how one can get that idea. "Hey there is this 100 percent free class. Some people like it. Lets curb it down to 30%, but to make up for it we bring a new class that's like 50%" ERM WHAT?

[rappa]

I am with RinchanNau. We haven't any problem with mobility as BLM or healers. The key is our position in the field.

It's like Alexander 3 and protean waves. I watched a lot of streams and videos. Bards and others job have this problem.

Sorry i used Paint instead photoshop



If you stay near the boss like purple pentacle, you should do 1 step to avoid the protean wave.
If you stay far from boss like pink pentacle, you have to do more than 2 steps to avoid the protean wave.

The first position let you finish your cast and move to avoid the protean wave. Once you avoided the aoe, you start again your cast without time lost.
The second one depends your cast time and your time reaction to avoid the aoe. You should finish your cast but you have to move more distance and don't allow you to cast or forced to use feint.

[TiaHeart]

Is it sooooo hard to understand that as far as positioning goes i actually prefered to think "i know this fight by heart and in 5 seconds i need to be at A. It takes me 2.3 seconds to get there, so my latest move will have to be in 2.7" instead of factoring in when to disable WM or the cast time of a shot? Did this freedom make certain stuff easier? Yes. Was it unfair and made the class op? No. Did even bards have to do the former positioning thoughts for perfect play? Yes for songs cast time and auto attack at the very least.

Just WHERE was the need to move the class closer to others (wether its blm smn heal or mch does not matter to me at all) by slapping all those WM related downsides of other classes on this one different free spirited class in terms of movement and rotation/skills? I get it changes were made, i and other brds need to #adopt #l2p or #gtfo. I just cant bring myself to agree this is a good way to turn things

[Malevicton]

Just WHERE was the need to move the class closer to others (wether its blm smn heal or mch does not matter to me at all) by slapping all those WM related downsides of other classes on this one different free spirited class in terms of movement and rotation/skills? I get it changes were made, i and other brds need to #adopt #l2p or #gtfo. I just cant bring myself to agree this is a good way to turn things

Arguing from "need" is always a bit iffy. They don't need to do pretty much anything. You could use that same argument against literally everything in the expansion. We don't need new zones, flying, enochian, botd, etc. But it's the way they wanted to go with it. It didn't "need" to stay the way it was, either.

If you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to agree to like it. What RinchanNau and rappa are saying is that the job works fine. There's nothing wrong with it. Some people just don't enjoy it, others do, but there's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't "need" to change.