FFXIV 2nd expansion: Viera-like race still a possibility?

[Nestama]

Sure, we could go back to those days and no one would really care (if the races never had the genders introduced, of course. Though as unfortunate as it is to say, minority of the player base would care about female Roegadyn being removed. Male Miqo'te might get an outcry). Yes, he contradicts himself on that (as I pointed out back on page 1 when I posted that quote), as for whatever reason his team took the safe route and made them cute and waifish. That is still not okay to me.

You have to admit that poll gave Viera an unfair advantage, since every other option required you to use your imagination, whereas Viera made it easy for you to go "I know what that race looks like!" I'm not entirely sure how I'm giving you "more points" for Viera, as so far, my main argument against them is the same reason why you appear to dislike the female Au Ra. "he decided to make female aura into more of a hyur."

Rava: Highlander face, Elezen body. Rabbit ears. Different feet
Veena: (female) Roegadyn face, Elezen body. Rabbit ears. Different feet.
Feol: Midlander face, (since it's drawn) Midlander body. Short rabbit ears. Different feet.

The Yama and Qsiti from Last Remnant would be far better options for a new race, if the XIV team are incapable of coming up with a new original race.

[Ghastly]

In your first paragraph you're agreeing with me. Second paragraph doesn't make sense. If somebody didn't attribute bunny to viera in that poll they wouldn't know what they look like. In a poll they don't put pictures. If they listed bunny without mentioning viera people that know what a FF bunny race looks like would still think of viera. You're insulting people's intellect.

Then you talk about something original yet list Yama and Qsiti. This thread is not about what's original, it's about the possibility of the most requested FF race added to FFXIV.


You go through all this pointless arguing just to list what you want, seriously?

[Giruvegan]

that poll gave Viera an unfair advantage[...]
Yama and Qsiti from Last Remnant [...]new original race.

the yama? do you mean, ' bigger fish people ' ?, because i could've sworn the sagahain are taking up space in the nautical motif slot. qsiti i sort of like, but they seem like they'd be more a beast tribe than a playable race.

can someone plz explain to me why it's only ever ok to ignore the majority when it doesn't serve the very obvious demographic that most mmos and triple a titles cater to? why shouldn't a game that has no qualms borrowing other things from ivalice just add viera or another ivalician race? ( helgas if you wanna get niche )

it's not like ffxiv is the first time people have voiced their opinions about wanting to play as this. why is it up to SE to suddenly invent new things? why is that always the answer when it seems like that very special demographic that's usually always being catered to doesn't get their way?

[Nestama]

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Yes, not everyone would assume Viera, since not everyone playing FFXIV has played every other Final Fantasy game. They could have imagined a race with a rabbits face, for example (Legend of Zelda style), if Viera was never mentioned. Since it was, anyone doing the VERY OLD (before ARR came out, I believe) poll can Google Viera and then go "oh, well that looks neat."

The Yama and Qsiti from Last Remnant would be far better options for a new race, if the XIV team are incapable of coming up with a new original race.

IF they can't come up with something new and original. Please read what I write completely. You don't even acknowledge why I'm against Viera (they add nothing new).

the yama? do you mean, ' bigger fish people ' ?, because i could've sworn the sagahain are taking up space in the nautical motif slot. qsiti i sort of like, but they seem like they'd be more a beast tribe than a playable race.

can someone plz explain to me why it's only ever ok to ignore the majority when it doesn't serve the very obvious demographic that most mmos and triple a titles cater to? why shouldn't a game that has no qualms borrowing other things from ivalice just add viera or another ivalician race? ( helgas if you wanna get niche )

it's not like ffxiv is the first time people have voiced their opinions about wanting to play as this. why is it up to SE to suddenly invent new things? why is that always the answer when it seems like that very special demographic that's usually always being catered to doesn't get their way?

We already had Ixali, but got Vanu Vanu anyway :T (there's also Amalj'aa and Mamool Ja)

If SE only listened to the majority, we'd get another race with edgelord males and waifish females. There's a massive lack of diverse races in this game and the Viera will not be adding anything new if they become the next race (as posted twice previously). It's why I would prefer SE to create an original race (that won't share a face and body with another race already in the game). FFXIV needs its own identity.

[Ghastly]

Like the other guy you want beast tribes. That's no what works in FF. We will never get beast tribes. Beast tribes are 1 dimensional

You walking one will never understand beast tribe ones
Kobolds are the best, strongest, best people in the world
psshh sahagin's ebsts are the best

Beast tribes are 1 dimensional, they're not the type to work like human classes do.

You're again, an extremist. Didn't they make miqo'te/mithra more human in FFXIV for a reason?
The closer you get to beast tribe the less people you're targetting

[Roegadyn_Bear]

Lol! Humans are the bestest!

I see someone has not done or paid attention to the Beast Tribes story lines.

Also, for someone calling other people an extremist, you're very fanatical about seeing Viera put into the game.

[Nestama]

You're again, an extremist. Didn't they make miqo'te/mithra more human in FFXIV for a reason?
The closer you get to beast tribe the less people you're targetting

None was given, as far as I know. Only logical reason would be because they didn't want people to think FFXIV was really FFXI-2 (since it doesn't take place on Vana'diel).

[Ghastly]

I can put words in their mouths too. The reason why they keep going away from beast tribe looks is because the fanbase for it is so low. The halloween quest is not related to this but it goes into the human mind. Wanting to be a beast tribe race is fun to think about, but like the miqote girl few will actually play them.

[Samcaesar]

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Yeah, not every fan wants Viera. You contradict yourself immediately when you say "They made a fierce race! Just not the girls fierce". You literally play a Roegadyn and SE can do whatever they with biology.

Well I don't think they're that fierce unless if you go all muscled and choose specific faces (there's even a cute face lol unlike a "tough" face for any of the cute races). I'm quite aware that my opinion doesn't fit the majority, I wish the majority supported it more. But heck, not a majority of people support this viera, this thread and that poll you keep referencing doesn't even have a majority, just the most.

This thread is about if I think Viera are a possiblity or if they're a good idea if they are, I don't agree with them being possible or a good idea and I said "Imho a better idea would be a race like x". It only makes perfect sense because you agree with it, it's called being biased lol. And you keep saying that the Au Ra are both fierce and the girl's aren't fierce. Take your love of Viera somewhere else. If what you want is to actually play a viera I suggest you play something else like

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Lol, says the people so adamant about added the actual Viera to the game (not even a race that looks like them, like a copy past of the Viera from 12). Also way to misconstruction whatever I say. I've never said that the game should make stuff that only caters to me, but I'd love if a race that did cater to me was added as currently the only thing that comes close to that is the girl Roegadyn in a vacuum (Weirdly enough, just like how you folks act like Viera MUST be the next race and anyone who wants otherwise can screw off).

What do you think you're doing right now? You're saying I'm being ridiculous and think that this game revolves around me along with another person saying how I want a fierce race to play (boy) Au Ra, both which is exactly what I'm talking about.

viera existed long before mi'quote
people don't want them because they're ' cute ' .
people want them because they appear in other ff titles.

there's plenty of references of this nature in the game already.
i don't see what the big deal is

fran isn't the only notable viera from ff lore, but she's the most recognized.
we wouldn't ( and shouldn't ) be forced to look like fran if they're ever added.

why do people who play other mmos expect this one to magically bend to the will
of every other mmo out there anyway? final fantasy has a fanbase that was here
before it became the next big mmo.

it's sort of wild to watch people outside of that always freak out about stuff just because
they're so thirsty for their WoW, league, wildstar, or skyrim experiences

if you want that, then just play that

i don't disagree that it would be nice if there was some diversity
maybe even some more dynamic gender options

if we're going to attack dimorphism, we might as well go full force.

You don't see nearly as much support for races like Bangaa, Ronso, or any of the other beast like races from other games (Sans 12 moogles, because well.. They're cute), there has to be a reason besides "they appear in other ff titles".

Shrugs, while I wouldn't be opposed, in fact I'd be in massive support! All I want is a race that's women are just as tough looking and big as the men, preferably with a reptilian motif, the Bangaa would be alright in that regards though lol.

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Well, Lalafell are small, Viera aren't small. Elezen however are lanky and tall, much akin to Viera, outside of the feet, ears, and long nails (And the feet are either fancy heels or their feet from lots of official art) look very similar to the Elezen. That's the point a lot of people are saying.

Plus you can't just inject the lore of the Viera into this game, this isn't Ivalice, it's Hydaelyn. Just shoving every bit of the Viera as a playable race is absolutely ridiculous and it would show the devs don't care about the world they've built.

Being warriors is different than looking like a warrior, I mean Lalafell can be whatever job/class, but that doesn't suit the demographic. Likewise, there's a few things about girl Au Ra being warriors too, but that doesn't mean they look fierce or tough, especially not when you look at their emotes or compare them to their men.

Fantasy is a massive genre and there's a lot of things to do, what some folks are talking about is not wanting a copy paste of a race that'd just appeal to the same demographic (e.g. Viera fitting that "I want cute/sexy woman demographic" perfectly) that's been pandered too. Plus like, a lot of those are really ingrained in just story telling in general, while the dragons in this game seem like weird servants of the supreme goddess that came from space, which seems pretty original imho. Or like, generic "Fantasy Sexual dimoprhism" stuff is annoying if you ask me.

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Way to devalue the beastmen quest lines or any information on the beastmen in the game. The issues between Limsa Limnosia breaking treaties with the Kobolds and causing further tensions is brought up several times in the main quest story for example.

Currently there isn't a reason they made Miqo'te cuter, their excuse for making the girl Au Ra cuter had a bit of data, but not the Miqo'te less beastlike, especially considering the Mithra weren't all that beastlike to begin with. Not everyone wants the Viera, heck even according the that poll you keep referencing not even a majority, just the most.

[Soralis]

will everyone pls just clam the heck down, and for the love of Menphina pls don't say anymore ''elezens are vieras wiothout the ears'' i mean come on!!!!!! hyurs are au ras without horns, hyurs are miqotes without ears, hyurs are roegadyns without steroids, lalafels are moogles without the magic dust, enough with that! if someone here wants a viera , they don't want an elezen obviously they want a viera lol. u all are going in a freakin circle, ok some don't want some want it, , and enough with the 'waifu' phrase thats just 4chan or reddit talking, it isn't funny nor an interesting new age word 'Weeaboo', people like to invent this stupid words so they could raise their EGO above the rest, so cool right, when i played ff12 as fran i never thought of her as waifu, i guess u can call roegadyn females waifu as well, no idea why people think if they are huge they are automatically fierce or what ever, ala yoda! and i am blabering blabergusting......................... blah........