Angry Bards

[TiaHeart]

BRD was a niche filler for all those who didn't enjoy other classes for reasons of
- cast times
- movement freedom
- tight rotation setups
-> playing out slow and somewhat tedious, doing the same over n over n over, just because its "the best way to go".
They broke every single aspect of what made the brd niche, casualpleasing, reaching a crowd other classes didnt. All im sayin- since this is an angry bard thread. Bad move. Why am i saying it? To voice my opinion in hopes of seeing changes that actually bring back the benefits listed above, because imho a god darn rangertype SHOULD play fast, spontaneous, free roamin etc. And weaker than melee or glasscanons/casts but still noticeable as a DD. Do i believe SE, like many devs would ever backpaddle "just" because a proportion of gamers liked stuff the way it was? Ha, ney. Its a rant thread called angry bards, and OP even asked you peeps that are pointing out the obvious "bard can still clear this easy game, git gud" to not post yo.

[rappa]

Do you mean "faceroll" niche?

Blm are punished due lost enochian
Dragoon with jumps and lost BotD.
Monk with stacks
Smn with Aetherflows

Why would be the bard the only one is not punished?
Now, Bards need to think the priority of the skills, reapply dots at same time with Iron Jaws, buff administration, delaying Empyreal is a lost of dps, not using Rain of death against 2 or more targets, not multidotting 2 or 3 targets with they are not killed before dots go down, etc.

We lost our mobility (ha!) in pursuit of more damage.

You could be angry with changes, me as raider i am glad. Mistakes are more punishables in HW than 2.0, so i have to focus in my gameplay than before. In 2.0 you lost one tick from dots and who cares, you reapply again. In 3.0, fail to use Iron jaws and you will waste 3 gcd to do it.

But hey! you need more attention on your game than pressing heavy shot and bloodletter spam. I don't like it! Go back!!! I am an angry bard!!!

[RiceisNice]

Why would be the bard the only one is not punished?
Now, Bards need to think the priority of the skills, reapply dots at same time with Iron Jaws, buff administration, delaying Empyreal is a lost of dps, not using Rain of death against 2 or more targets, not multidotting 2 or 3 targets with they are not killed before dots go down, etc.

If you're going to make something difficult, at least make it sound difficult/interesting. And especially when the bolded part is more often than out, out of your control especially with SS procs and SS refresh

[kazeandi]

Punished, punished.
I didn't know this was a game for masochists.
If I feel like being punished I go to a dominatrix. I play computer games for run.

[Moomba33]

I'd say I'm more disappointed than angry.
I feel like with Heavensward Bard just got slower and clunkier. I don't think any of the new abilities are particularly fun or interesting.
I also feel like SE didn't put much effort into designing the Bard abilities for Heavensward and simply copied over their design for MCH.

If Bard had been designed like this from the beginning, say WM was the 30 ability and there weren't issues with proc timing, then I probably wouldn't be complaining. It's just unpleasant losing the playstyle I enjoyed for two years.

I don't expect SE to change things now. Bard is functional and not being excluded from content. I suspect the cast times were purposefully added by SE because they felt the ranged physical dps were getting off too easily with having less to worry about than other classes in terms of positioning and timing.
Perhaps it wasn't fair, but I enjoyed 2.0 Bard while it lasted.

[RiceisNice]

Punished, punished.
I didn't know this was a game for masochists.
If I feel like being punished I go to a dominatrix. I play computer games for run.

People are using the word "punished" too loosely, as if they're going to somehow do less dps for using enochian/botd but failing it, as opposed to not using it at all. The only time I see this truly being the case is BRD with WM (and by extension MCH) and NIN if you're only spamming split/heavy shot or missing GCD usage (in the case of the former), or because they're realistically the only jobs that had changes that potentially "lower" their damage output (missing weaponskill casts or positional on AE in ninja's case), and even then that's really pushing it

I'd say I'm more disappointed than angry.
I feel like with Heavensward Bard just got slower and clunkier. I don't think any of the new abilities are particularly fun or interesting.
I also feel like SE didn't put much effort into designing the Bard abilities for Heavensward and simply copied over their design for MCH.

If Bard had been designed like this from the beginning, say WM was the 30 ability and there weren't issues with proc timing, then I probably wouldn't be complaining. It's just unpleasant losing the playstyle I enjoyed for two years.

I don't expect SE to change things now. Bard is functional and not being excluded from content. I suspect the cast times were purposefully added by SE because they felt the ranged physical dps were getting off too easily with having less to worry about than other classes in terms of positioning and timing.
Perhaps it wasn't fair, but I enjoyed 2.0 Bard while it lasted.

If BRD was definitely designed around having cast times, their oGCD and empyreal usage wouldn't be a bumpy mess the way it is now. And even then, there's a matter of differentiating MCH/BRD from a gameplay perspective, outside of their burst usage and regen (which honestly makes up for a small portion of their tool kit compared to their BnB cycle). I honestly don't like that they're using "mobility" as the justiication to to be the "strength" or defining aspect of a job, especially if they make an ability work entirely around it and make both jobs of the same role ( in this case, BRD and MCH with WM/GB) fill the same niche. People will still gravitate toward the playstyle they like (see BLM and SMN, one ultimately more motile than the other and in some cases, more lenient on optimizing dps) but still have relatively good representation and performance.

[TiaHeart]

Do you

I meant what i wrote. I cant speak for all niche players since im only ONE of them.Personally prefered bard mainly cuz of the pace and activity. Im a person that enjoys doing sports over watching them, takes fast paced action shooters like quake over tactics like cs, etc pp. Playing other classes for sideskills i found myself pickin my nose till it was bleedy instead of mashin buttons.

Blm are punished

Good for them. Do not want

Why would

He was. And still is. He is classified as a damage dealer and out of those afaik (i might be wrong here, im not mister know it all and ps4 no parser wont ever make me) dealing the least damage on level playing fields (perfect other dd vs perfect bard, random vs random etc. NOT perfect bard vs scrub other).

As for the rest recheck my post. Elitism has no relation to my concerns for this classmodification. I beat battletoads. This is not battletoads.

[TiaHeart]

Punished, punished.
I didn't know this was a game for masochists.
If I feel like being punished I go to a dominatrix. I play computer games for run.

Dont. Fun is overrated. Git gud. Scrub. What do you mean, you beat a4s blindfolded? But... at least you felt a bit punished while doing so, didnt you? A tiny bit? If you did on your brd im cool, but damn you if you didnt. Cuz... I received my punishs on class xy!

[RussW]

My first 60 was a Bard I wasnt happy about the cast time change and felt it made the class unfun so I made a ninja and a machinist to take advantage of the 190-200 accessories I had acquired. I know of a BRD who refers to himself as a "bow wizard." In comparison to MCH Ive noticed that MCH has the ability to get off a long string of instant cast shots therefore adding back a bunch of mobility that bard doesnt have.

I find it interesting that BRD changes were mentioned in the live letter I wonder if this is going to bring BRD more in line with MCH as far as mobility.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Do you mean "faceroll" niche?

There is no shame in playing a less complex job than another. Different players like different things.

You prefer more complex spec which rewards good play. Other players simply want play a game.

The Bard class already does less dps than the other damage dealers. That is "punishment" enough.