The issue nobody wants to address

[Archaell]

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You think that parser would do harm to the community - I think it would give dps players responsibility. That it would make tank's and healer's life easier as the focus would be better divided between the roles. Right now when somebody dies, even if it is due to low dps, I am expected as the healer to explain what happened. If I lack the knowledge or awarness I am the one blamed. If there were parsers, I could point to the numbers and say that average group does twice as much dps, which saves both mana and decreases the chance of wiping. Now if I say dps was low I get laughed at, because "proof or it didn't happen".

Let me ask you a question: Do you think that parser would increase or decrease overall dps done by the community? Don't worry about the change being barely noticable or not.

[Elazu]

Funny how still nobody answered the question of why it is okay to call out tanks and healers when they fail their responsibilites, but dps players deserve a free pass regardless of how bad they are simply for being dps players. The outrage that would happen if all tanks and healers started putting in as much effort as the average duty finder dps would probably be absolutely hilarious.

[Jynx]

Let me ask you a question: Do you think that parser would increase or decrease overall dps done by the community? Don't worry about the change being barely noticable or not.

Personally I'd say it would see no increase or decrease as far as the Duty Finder is concerned.

What it would do however is you would just see less people using the duty finder in general to avoid the pressure to impress people looking for unrealistic numbers out of people. DPS allready have "responsibillity" that you seem to think they lack, I've said it time and before it's not rocket sceince when DPS is slow and who it's slow with.

In your example you say your expected as the healer to explain when someone dies, then it's pretty simple explanation. Unless you failed to do your job one of two things happened.

1.Bad tank positioning
2.Slow DPS/DPS positioning
If you "Lack information or awareness" on either of these then you aren't doing your job. As a DPS I need to be aware of the tank, healer, monster positioning do optimal DPS and avoid taking unwaranted damage, I should be able to explain all of this without needing a number to back it up. If you have trust issues in the fact that you need to "Prove it" you need to step away from the duty finder.

Premades and Party-Finder are the optimal way to complete dungeons without hassle you sign up to duty finder and get random people, expect your groups preformance to vary with use.

Funny how still nobody answered the question of why it is okay to call out tanks and healers when they fail their responsibilites, but dps players deserve a free pass regardless of how bad they are simply for being dps players.

It's not ok to call out tanks and healer and not DPS you just don't need a parser to do that.

[Urthdigger]

It's not ok to call out tanks and healer and not DPS you just don't need a parser to do that.

Pray tell, when my DPS are melee such as MNK and DRG so I can't see what spells they're using on the party list, and I'm trying to do my own job as healer, how am I to tell which one was responsible for failing a DPS check? They could be completely mucking up their rotation, and unless I'm keeping an eye on the battle log instead of their HP I wouldn't be able to tell.

[tjw]

Pray tell, when my DPS are melee such as MNK and DRG so I can't see what spells they're using on the party list, and I'm trying to do my own job as healer, how am I to tell which one was responsible for failing a DPS check? They could be completely mucking up their rotation, and unless I'm keeping an eye on the battle log instead of their HP I wouldn't be able to tell.

There are actually two ways I can tell, as a healer, if the DPS in my party are doing their rotations.

1. I continuously check the status bars of the enemy and my fellow party members. I can thus see if the DPS are applying dots, debuffs, and their own buffs, and if they're refreshing buffs with Blizzard IV/WT and F&C/Mudras etc. If the run is especially slower than expected, I start paying even more attention to see where the DPS are losing their momentum.
2. Having my field of vision constantly changing around the screen, it's easy for me to notice animations and sound-effects of the typical spells and abilities of a DPS. Of course, this means you have to know the animations for the corresponding spell, which for people who don't level alt jobs, may be difficult, but if I all I hear is Ring of Thorns spamming in the background, I know that my DRG isn't up to par. If all I see is the Full-Thrust combo without BotD, I know that my DRG isn't utilising his tools.

[Colorful]

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Why go through all that unnecessary nonsense when you could potentially just look at the UI and see the numbers everyone is doing in a split second? Maybe I'm just awful and get tunnel visioned too easily, but while I'm trying to output maximum DPS in Bismarck/Ravana, I can't really ignore the fight and start paying attention to how other people are doing unless it's a class I know well (and the only class I know well, or at all, is Ninja).

[Eye_Gore]

paying attention to how other people are doing

Backseat drivers are everywhere. I'm with you though. When I'm tanking an instance, especially larger mobs, don't even have time nor pay attention to what others are doing, so much going in. Maybe its a DPS thing.

[tjw]

...I can't really ignore the fight and start paying attention to how other people are doing unless it's a class I know well (and the only class I know well, or at all, is Ninja).

That's just you then. I KNOW my healer jobs well enough that I CAN afford to pay attention outside of what I am doing and check other people's actions. I don't necessarily click on each person, but as a healer, I am seeing the field often enough that I can capture everyone's movements on the field.

Your first sentence is quite offensive actually. So just because you can't be bothered to up your game and use what the game gives you right now, it's my fault for going beyond and making use of what I can? "Why go through all that nonsense". Yes, why do I try to help my party by doing beyond my role, why should I be anything but a tunnel-visioning DPS intent on getting the highest e-peen numbers. I never approached the subject of a parser or UI or whatever; I refuse to even step foot into that cesspool. But thank you for assuming as much about me.

[Colorful]

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But can you honestly say you've memorized every classes animations for their ability? Sure, you could tell if a Ninja is using their Mudras, but that's a small part of their job. What of their rotation? Is your perception incredible enough to tell they're using armour crush instead of reapplying it with Huton (yes I've had people do that), that they're following their positional abilities as best as possible, especially in the case of Monk? Obviously in dungeons this stuff isn't required, and you can easily tell as most bosses are tank and spank with a few AoEs thrown in, but what of EX trials+?

Edit: I don't know why on Earth you'd take offense to that, but people take offense to literally everything on this forum so it's no surprise (and I bet someone would take offense to my saying that too). It's not meant to offend, I'm stating that why go to such lengths when there could be an alternative which is much, much simpler. As for being a obsessed with e-peen, I do try to push the highest numbers but it has nothing to do with e-peen, when I see someone doing more than myself I try to do better and push myself to get better at the game as a sense of accomplishment. It's not my responsibility to watch what other DPS are doing, it's my responsibility to push out as much DPS as I can, while performing mechanics correctly.

[Avidria]

That's just you then. I KNOW my healer jobs well enough that I CAN afford to pay attention outside of what I am doing and check other people's actions. I don't necessarily click on each person, but as a healer, I am seeing the field often enough that I can capture everyone's movements on the field.
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As a dps, my job is to dps and to follow mechanics (and since I'm a bard, I'm also watching people's mana and tp and throwing out foe req if we've got mages). I'm watching the boss, the boss' cast bars, my own rotation, my buffs, and my cooldowns. I like to think I know my job as a bard pretty well, but I still don't have the time to worry about whether or not someone else is doing their rotation properly.
The only time I notice that they aren't is when A) things are dying unusually slowly or B) they do something that's obviously wrong (standing in AoE, spamming the same ability over and over, never using any cooldowns, etc.). I could probably get away with watching everyone's buffs and dots etc., but that's not my job and frankly, it shouldn't be.

If someone isn't doing their job, there should be an easier way to hold them accountable for that than to watch what they're doing on top of doing my own job.