The issue nobody wants to address

[Jynx]

It is not ok to call anybody. Yet tanks/healers get called more often. Why is to so...

Not because of a lack of DPS parsers ingame that's for sure.

Tanks and Healers get "Called out" more often because the general gamer considers these roles more important than the DPS roll, more often than not tanks and heals tend to gladly accept the glory until they get called out because of more attention being placed on them to scrutinize their abillity.

That's not a parser issue that's a social issue, even if you had parses DPS would just try and explain they were holding back because they were afraid the tank would lose agro and the healer would go 0mp because he cure-bombs. Parsers are not the solution nor are they even part of the solution, the duty finder has engrained this behavior into the community due to the lack of blowback for being bad at your job or just a jerk. Adding the parser only gives players more tools, to abuse or to use is up to them but this community has more often than not been found to err on the side of harassing people before helping them.

[Kolaina]

Not because of a lack of DPS parsers ingame that's for sure.

no, its because due to their roles in the party, mistakes and slacking off are far more noticeable. and when the mobs arent dying fast enough the response is usually to tell the healer to dps more. no onus on the dps

[Whiteroom]

Parsers are not the solution nor are they even part of the solution, the duty finder has engrained this behavior into the community due to the lack of blowback for being bad at your job or just a jerk.

Wait... what?

Having a metric for your performance is not even part of a solution to the problem of poor performance? Could you explain please?

To me this is just as foolish of a statement as saying that they are the be all, and end all of solution to issue. Which aside from your assertions, I have yet to see anyone be foolish enough to claim.

Adding the parser only gives players more tools...

How about that.

...this community has more often than not been found to err on the side of harassing people before helping them.

Sooo.... parsers didn't make this happen? Interesting.

Sorry to state the obvious, but every community has this issue.

Also, I did find it funny when you listed off the healers responsibilities, yet a dps isn't even responsible for having a half decent rotation, the most basic part of their job?

[Ryel]

Not because of a lack of DPS parsers ingame that's for sure.

Tanks and Healers get "Called out" more often because the general gamer considers these roles more important than the DPS roll, more often than not tanks and heals tend to gladly accept the glory until they get called out because of more attention being placed on them to scrutinize their abillity.

I'm not sure I'd agree with the glory bit, at best Tanks and Healers are expected to play at the level of content they queue into, if they don't there are no end of complaints about what you are doing wrong from players who won't even touch the jobs, If you do your job correctly you usually get tossed a few commendations by default and people go on with their day.

In general Tanks and Healers receive no end of feedback regardless of how well we play in fact many times that feedback is subjective.

Common examples:

"You're pulling too much!"
"You're pulling too little!"
"Healer why aren't you doing damage while healing?"
"Healer why are you doing damage while healing?"
"Why are you tanking it there?"
"Why aren't you tanking it there?"
"Why aren't you doing x,y,z strat I've seen on youtube?"
"You're doing x,y,z strat? Why? it's terrible!!"
"Why are you wearing VIT!? STR is better!"
"Why are you wearing STR!? VIT is better!"
"You're wearing melded gear? Way to waste your gil!"

Personally i don't take issue with this, feedback isn't always positive.

I do take issue that the comments in this thread lead me to believe that players who play DPS jobs think they are above or immune to class based feedback though, by virtue of not wanting an in game system in place that provides performance feedback.

That's not a parser issue that's a social issue, even if you had parses DPS would just try and explain they were holding back because they were afraid the tank would lose agro and the healer would go 0mp because he cure-bombs. Parsers are not the solution nor are they even part of the solution, the duty finder has engrained this behavior into the community due to the lack of blowback for being bad at your job or just a jerk. Adding the parser only gives players more tools, to abuse or to use is up to them but this community has more often than not been found to err on the side of harassing people before helping them.

Well actually, lack of a public parsing tool is part of the issue which drives community behavior.

Whiteroom posted this earlier but i don't think anyone actually acknowledged it fully before they tried to continue this trend of one-uppping the other side posting:

The simple fact is, the game relies almost exclusively on dps for encounters, and there is no way for a player or group to have a metric of their dps. Do you not think thats even a little strange sounding?

Think about that for a second and really let that sink in.

We have had DPS checks in the game as early as Demon Wall (which needed to be nerfed mind you). Almost all of our endgame encounters for the past 2 years have relied on or included some form of DPS condition for victory, there are almost zero stamina based fights in this game that can rely on a tank and healer together outlasting a boss because they all have a form of timed enrage based on damage done.

Yet there are zero in game systems to provide feedback or performance assessment to what the game defines as one of it's most crucial roles, and everyone is okay with this?

People come in here and say "Well PC players already have access to parsers!!!!" completely ignoring the console communities as if they don't deserve to have access to the same tools, that or they're entirely okay with making them ask PC players to give them feedback from a third party tool that the game doesn't even officially support.

Healers and tanks have their performance laid bare from the second they step foot into Sastasha. No heals? Can't hold hate? The party is going to know it the second it happens, those jobs are going to get 45 levels of player feedback from that point on.

But a DPS? nah that'd be toxic.