The issue nobody wants to address

[Darkobra]

In his defense, the game might feel like that when one doesn't mind getting carried. ^.^

You two have clearly never played any MMO pre-2007. You're telling me you've never played Diablo? Never even tried Ultima? And then there's this. I can log in, spam a rotation of a few buttons, get out of CLEARLY choreographed and set moves with no problems and genuinely wonder what has happened to the MMO series. It's a fact.

But casual is where the money is so why not fleece the fanbase? Hell, no wonder Destiny's selling emotes now.

I don't care about min/maxing

Don't know why I typed anything. Found this gem as my proof.

[Archaell]

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Proof of what exactly? I admit I haven't played Diablo. I played Diablo II tho. Can't be that different I assume?

The first MMO that I played was MU Online, then Guild Wars, WoW, Warhammer Online and many others afterwards.

What's so bad about not caring about min/maxing? I would take skill over stats any day. Actually the whole overgearing business in this game makes me kinda sad.

Honestly if my job is to do 1000 dps, I don't care much if I do 1100 or 1200. As long as I do my part and my team does their part, there is no need to min/max.

[OPneedNerfs]

You two have clearly never played any MMO pre-2007. You're telling me you've never played Diablo? Never even tried Ultima? And then there's this. I can log in, spam a rotation of a few buttons, get out of CLEARLY choreographed and set moves with no problems and genuinely wonder what has happened to the MMO series. It's a fact.

But casual is where the money is so why not fleece the fanbase? Hell, no wonder Destiny's selling emotes now.



Don't know why I typed anything. Found this gem as my proof.

Woah woah woah, sure you aren't confusing casual players with terrible players?

One can play 4 hours a week and be casual yet still understand their job well enough to perform well. Time spent in this game really doesn't equate to much. This is clearly apparent when static raid groups who spend much less time are clearing endgame raids much sooner than those who spend the entire week bashing their heads and eventually disbanding.

[dank1]

I feel like a lot of progress has been made on this topic ultimately I feel like the reason non performers are coddled by the forum community is because of the "you be anything you want everybody wins" movement.

[Archaell]

I feel like a lot of progress has been made on this topic ultimately I feel like the reason non performers are coddled by the forum community is because of the "you be anything you want everybody wins" movement.

I agree with this. It seems like the community is going to stay ignorant till we get "play as the weakest link" and "demand harder content" movement to make them feel the unpleasant reality. It is way harder to ignore something that's wiping your face off.

[Archaell]

This is kinda funny but I have started interesting chain reaction while thinking about healer's responsibility.

Parser aside, another option for solving part of our problem could be fixed with... colors!

It is simple yet effective. Give each party member different color when you do damage to monster's HP bar. This way you would see who is doing how much, without the hated numbers.

Now a little bit of numbers would unfortunately still be required.

Create an UI window that would show percentage of damage done by each of the party members.

This should remove the fear of min/maxing elitists as it isn't as detailed.

I propose we use this system for DF runs alongside more detailed personal parser.