Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

[jmdude]

Edit: If you actually think it's only about the DPS problems, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and need to go read a bit more on the problems made obviously clear by a lot of top raiders on various forums. Then git gud at the other tanks.

It's as if you didn't read my post at all.

[Seku]

It's as if you didn't read my post at all.

Actually it's like you didn't read mine.

Nobody can actually say this is a fact though?

I'll say it again. Proof that someone has beaten AS3 or AS4 without hitting enrages within the first few weeks and roughly around same gear progression with a PLD in the party. No "if" situations. Until then re-read the post you didn't read whats ARE facts about pld.

World first statics took DRK cause they felt it was better suited for mechanics not because they thought they'd loose to enrage

They took drk due to it's ability to increase raid damage due to the replacement of monk. So actually they did take it to hit enrage timers.

if they can clear in lower Ilvl gear so can you if your group of 8 had the same skill

Ok now refer me to what I was asking before. Video of AS3 or AS4 w/o hitting enrages within the first few weeks.

there are groups who STILL struggle to beat A1S enrage despite the fact they have months of gear by now

Has nothing to do with the class itself though. People fail at Titan EX. Rerfer to my last post for PLDs weaknesses.

It's undeniable that the FOTM mentality is part of the reason it took them so long to clear weeks after, it's much more than just the class design it has to do with the community too.

People like to make statements like that AS IF IT WERE A FACT WHEN IT'S NOT..

and it's actually quite amazing that you make a statement as if it were a fact and then try to say that you're posting things because people are saying things are facts.

Any how I'm done with you since you've brought nothing to the table.

tl;dr learn 2 read, stop tryin to troll

[IskarJarak]

Guys I just got off the phone with Yoshi P. He told me that he doesn't read this thread anymore because it's garbage and he's thinking about throwing it in his recycling bin. Just thought you should know.

[Freyyy]

Guys I just got off the phone with Yoshi P. He told me that he doesn't read this thread anymore because it's garbage and he's thinking about throwing it in his recycling bin. Just thought you should know.

Thank you for this information.

[jmdude]

I'm not trying to troll, you just keep reading things and taking them out of context, taking them to extremes and relating them to different things if you're going to deny the communities involvement in the fact it lagged behind in getting a clear I guess you rather be blissfully ignorant and complain that a class is weak over the design of 2 floors of a raid.

[Disc]

There is proof that Pld sucks at the following: Everything except it's O-shi button (Hollow).

I'd like to see that proof.

If you actually think it's only about the DPS problems, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and need to go read a bit more on the problems made obviously clear by a lot of top raiders on various forums. Then git gud at the other tanks.

All of their problems boil down to the fact that they are trailing pretty far behind the other tanks in DPS. Reading about things you don't seem to understand does not give you credibility.

[NFaelivrin]

I think the intention with the heavensward toolkit was for PLD to provide greater party support in exchange for its low DPS, unfortunately it seems the dev team severely overvalued the usefulness of Clemency (they even added an extra source of MP regen, which I assume is to allow you to cast it more) and undertuned Divine Veil.

[SwordCoheir]

All of their problems boil down to the fact that they are trailing pretty far behind the other tanks in DPS. Reading about things you don't seem to understand does not give you credibility.

I wouldn't even say the DPS capability is lacking, PLD just doesn't have the flow other tanks have. PLD's get hit with more barriers than other tanks either due to clunky abilities (Clemency, Cover, Divine Veil) or impeding mechanics that hamper our potential (Inability to Oath Swap efficiently, Flash not scaling with buffs), or the fact half of our support abilities seem half-assed attempts to make us more "defensive" over the other tanks (Tempered Will, Convalesence, Awareness).

Either way, I think the overall points have been made, so let's just sit back and see what SE decides to do with our beloved job, and watch other PLD's become extra salty.

[Disc]

Paladin stance swapping is very smooth compared to the nightmare that is Grit. Most DRK don't realize how much potency they have to put out to make up for the delay & end up losing damage. Clemency could use some work, but Cover & Divine Veil are perfect at what they do. Flash also scales very well with attack power. You will never find an AoE situation where flash leaves you wanting if you have used it with ShOath up. Awareness is a boost to Bulwark proc rate, Convalescence is good at what it does, & Tempered will can be used for DPS boosts. Wanting them to be OP does not make the abilities bad.

PLD will also see roughly 15% less physical damage on average than a DRK will, which should give them enough mitigation to spend more time in SwOath. PLDs major shortcoming at this point is that they cannot hold hate while maximizing DPS in SwOath and they see over a 30% DPS loss in ShOath. There have been several cases in Savage that I have wanted to swap back to PLD for higher mitigation/utility, but stuck with DRK because the DPS lead is just too high to give up. And if it wasn't DRK it would be WAR.

[Tadus]

Paladin stance swapping is very smooth compared to the nightmare that is Grit.

Lul okay thats one person who believes that.