Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

[Ultimatecalibur]

If it was so unfit why would one of the most min maxing groups in the game, Lucrezia use it for 2 floors when they had the option of 3 tanks?

This isn't like 2.0 warrior sorry.

Because they initially believed the Paladin's greater mitigation capabilities (i.e. RoH and Hallowed Ground) would be advantageous for quickly clearing, but determined that the DpS increase from swapping out their Paladin and Monk for a Dark Knight and Ninja was more advantageous when they started working on A3S.

[Brannigan]

So we're all in agreement that a year and a half after this is fixed we can still talk about it constantly on the forums, right?

[NFaelivrin]

If it was so unfit why would one of the most min maxing groups in the game, Lucrezia use it for 2 floors when they had the option of 3 tanks?

This isn't like 2.0 warrior sorry.

I don't think reading comprehension is your forte. I suggest instead of getting all defensive about your class you spend some time trying to find the point in my post where I drew a comparison between 2.0 WAR and 3.0 PLD, I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun looking for things that literally aren't there. The only thing I said is that the devs have a tendency to not acknowledge when classes have blatant balance issues. A lot of the WAR mains in this forum get really, really weird at any perceived slights against their class, real or imagined. Chill out.

So we're all in agreement that a year and a half after this is fixed we can still talk about it constantly on the forums, right?

If there's ever a point in the game's history when PLD becomes OP again remember to point out that it's only fair because at some point it was woefully underpowered for a period of time spanning a single patch. After all, WAR deserves to be the best class in the game forever based on it sucking in 2.0, according to some posters here.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Warrior was weak in 2.0,

Remember when Foresight was Warriors only mitigation cooldown? Good times.

[NFaelivrin]

Remember when Foresight was Warriors only mitigation cooldown? Good times.

I guess that could've worked if content had actually been designed so an HP drain/self-restore tank could function in it but with mechanics like Death Sentence 2.0 WAR was doomed from the start.

[AeresSilverfox]

PLD main over here and managed to clear A1S and A2S with my static (standard PLD/WAR combi).
We are just starting to practice A3S now.
I am not the best of players but i generally think that what Yoshi-P has said on PLD is not wrong.

[jmdude]

Inability to clear content until weeks later

Nobody can actually say this is a fact though? World first statics took DRK cause they felt it was better suited for mechanics not because they thought they'd loose to enrage. People are only clearing weeks later with it because world firsts have a greater skill level than those clearing weeks later (which is what lets world first statics get that far), if they can clear in lower Ilvl gear so can you if your group of 8 had the same skill, there are groups who STILL struggle to beat A1S enrage despite the fact they have months of gear by now.

TL;DR git gud

[OPneedNerfs]

Nobody can actually say this is a fact though? World first statics took DRK cause they felt it was better suited for mechanics not because they thought they'd loose to enrage. People are only clearing weeks later with it because world firsts have a greater skill level than those clearing weeks later (which is what lets world first statics get that far), if they can clear in lower Ilvl gear so can you if your group of 8 had the same skill, there are groups who STILL struggle to beat A1S enrage despite the fact they have months of gear by now.

You do realize they swapped out PLD for DRK? And also allowed more raid-wide dps after swapping out MNK for NIN because DRK provides the INT debuff that MNK gives?

If swapping out classes for an increased DPS is not indicative of thinking they'd lose to enrage, I'm not sure what you think it is for, especially when it is done during progression and not farming phase.

TL;DR git gud

Tell that to Elysium? Or are you saying you're better than one of the world first clear groups?

[Leonus]

Tell that to Elysium? Or are you saying you're better than one of the world first clear groups?

I, personally, think people hold world first groups in too high of a regard. What most world first groups have over other players isn't necessarily skill, but time. Don't get me wrong, those guys are great players, but they aren't gods by any means.

Anyways, pld was swapped out for two things, better for the current content and higher dps which allowed them to find the most optimal setup. A lot of people want war nerfed, which I don't think is the right path to take. I think pld should be buffed, but in a raid utility fashion to make up for their lack of dps. Much like how they should have done for mnk rather than buffing their pure dps.

Just my opinion though. So far, through leveling war, it's been pretty smooth and involving and I think it's a really well done class overall. I don't have pld or drk high enough to compare, but I think drk and pld should be made to be more complete as classes rather than taking a piece away from war.

[jmdude]

Y

Did you read my post at all?
1.I understand they swapped out PLD for DRK or I wouldn't talk about them bringing DRK over it
2. Answered your question in that post
3. No git gud isn't aimed at those groups why you think that? Maybe you need to re-read my post. It's aimed at the people here whining about PLD, if a world first group with like Elysium went to A4S with a PLD they probably would've been able to clear within a reasonable time frame of world first, not "weeks after" cause of gear, this is just the mentality everyone has cause after A3S world first people started screaming DRK new meta! Stop playing PLD and switch classes!
FOTM mentality + world firsts not using PLD PLD clearing weeks later because the players who didnt meet the same skill requirements are still catching up, even though in the end it wouldn't matter because if they are DRK/PLD by the point they reach the fight they will have the gear capable of clearing it