Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

[SpookyGhost]

This is also true, Yoshida going and saying people were doing it wrong was not helping in any way. I sort of wish I had challenged the devs to produce a WAR gameplay video showing exactly how they expected WAR to be played in coil, since according to them WAR was perfectly viable and fine.

Tbf, WAR was capable of doing all content in 2.0... just at a higher gear level. They expected the gear level required for WAR would also be the required gear level for PLD, but obviously that didn't hold true. Same thing is currently happening with PLD, needs higher gear to do the same thing the other tanks can do with lower gear. I don't think 3.0 PLD = 2.0 WAR, though - non-existant mitigation is a bit more of a problem than slightly falling behind the DPS curve. That said, PLD still needs changes and I hope that the ones coming in 3.1 will bring the job up to par.

[MeeYow]

Higher iLv is not really something you want to have to resort to though.

PLDs problems aren't as bad but the competition is more fierce with DRK available now, also where WAR had one crippling disadvantage PLD has a wide array of smaller ones.

I really wish the DEVs would open up about how they test, they showed a blog image right around the release of 2.0 where they were testing T2, in full allagan gear and weapons, I hope their policy is to test at the minimum iLv for entry because as a lot of people have stated here, imbalance is felt a lot less in overgeared scenarios but most of the serious content is done when you are not overgeared and imbalance is felt a lot more.

So for the Nth time I am going to please ask a community mod or Dev to put themselves forward and have discussion rather than us have this one way dialogue through interviews. :/

Edit: I went into 2.0 WAR main and 3.0 PLD main. I sure know how to pick em :3

[Ercapote]

for people here saying that WAR wasn't salty, you guys obviously missed the tsunami at 2.0, and apparently also missed the small maelstrom of DRK at the beginning of 3.0...

I'm glad to see a response at least it means they have been reading, but knowing them I'm expecting this super small change that will be barely noticeable and just call it a day. Like people said here, It's not right to say pld are fine when they have to wait an entire month and not only pld but they raid party to compensate for having a pld on their group.

I also fail to understand how a great sword can mitigate more magic than a shield, anyways I don't care when the changes are coming as long as they are coming idk why people are complaining about the time, in fact we should be happy we finally getting some since we haven't really got any adjustments since 2.0-2.1.

let's see how it plans out, but I kinda have this vive that they really don't give to much of a @#$%^ and they just going to do....something not really that relevant... I just hope it's a change enough to make me want to have my PLD back since it kinda burns me that I spend so much eso on chest,hands,head and shield before my bias self finally understood that PLD isn't just what it was.

[Seku]

PLDs problems aren't as bad but the competition is more fierce with DRK available now

Inability to clear content until weeks later where everyone is already geared up to off set the lack of natural ability the job has is just as bad, as from I am reading, that's what merited changes to WAR, the inability to clear endgame raids on a consistent basis until everyone else was geared up if at all.. It has nothing to do with competition at this point, but just the ability to actually clear something w/o holding your group back for weeks to months and being pigeon holed into another class that you don't like.

Honestly, no matter what they do to PLD, as long as PLD doesn't get any higher mitigation through additional traits for natural defense or cool downs, higher DPS to match WAR and DRK, some crazy utility that raid comps can't live w/o, or SE produce fights that revolve around consistent heavy damage to take advantage of our shield which would be bad game design as it would be the same as taking advantage of parry, WAR/DRK is going to win due to the higher damage output.

You can have too much DEF and Curing. That limit has always been if you can live through the strongest attack and a hit or two after, you're good. Any more DEF or Curing after that is a waste. All tanks can live through predictable tank busters. If PLD mitigation for physical attacks were that great, a lot of groups would have started reincorporating them back in A3, where physical damage was present and consistent enough. They haven't.

[Ercapote]

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^ more clear impossible...

[jmdude]

Inability to clear content until weeks later

Nobody can actually say this is a fact though? World first statics took DRK cause they felt it was better suited for mechanics not because they thought they'd loose to enrage. People are only clearing weeks later with it because world firsts have a greater skill level than those clearing weeks later (which is what lets world first statics get that far), if they can clear in lower Ilvl gear so can you if your group of 8 had the same skill, there are groups who STILL struggle to beat A1S enrage despite the fact they have months of gear by now.

TL;DR git gud

[OPneedNerfs]

Nobody can actually say this is a fact though? World first statics took DRK cause they felt it was better suited for mechanics not because they thought they'd loose to enrage. People are only clearing weeks later with it because world firsts have a greater skill level than those clearing weeks later (which is what lets world first statics get that far), if they can clear in lower Ilvl gear so can you if your group of 8 had the same skill, there are groups who STILL struggle to beat A1S enrage despite the fact they have months of gear by now.

You do realize they swapped out PLD for DRK? And also allowed more raid-wide dps after swapping out MNK for NIN because DRK provides the INT debuff that MNK gives?

If swapping out classes for an increased DPS is not indicative of thinking they'd lose to enrage, I'm not sure what you think it is for, especially when it is done during progression and not farming phase.

TL;DR git gud

Tell that to Elysium? Or are you saying you're better than one of the world first clear groups?

[Leonus]

Tell that to Elysium? Or are you saying you're better than one of the world first clear groups?

I, personally, think people hold world first groups in too high of a regard. What most world first groups have over other players isn't necessarily skill, but time. Don't get me wrong, those guys are great players, but they aren't gods by any means.

Anyways, pld was swapped out for two things, better for the current content and higher dps which allowed them to find the most optimal setup. A lot of people want war nerfed, which I don't think is the right path to take. I think pld should be buffed, but in a raid utility fashion to make up for their lack of dps. Much like how they should have done for mnk rather than buffing their pure dps.

Just my opinion though. So far, through leveling war, it's been pretty smooth and involving and I think it's a really well done class overall. I don't have pld or drk high enough to compare, but I think drk and pld should be made to be more complete as classes rather than taking a piece away from war.

[jmdude]

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Did you read my post at all?
1.I understand they swapped out PLD for DRK or I wouldn't talk about them bringing DRK over it
2. Answered your question in that post
3. No git gud isn't aimed at those groups why you think that? Maybe you need to re-read my post. It's aimed at the people here whining about PLD, if a world first group with like Elysium went to A4S with a PLD they probably would've been able to clear within a reasonable time frame of world first, not "weeks after" cause of gear, this is just the mentality everyone has cause after A3S world first people started screaming DRK new meta! Stop playing PLD and switch classes!
FOTM mentality + world firsts not using PLD PLD clearing weeks later because the players who didnt meet the same skill requirements are still catching up, even though in the end it wouldn't matter because if they are DRK/PLD by the point they reach the fight they will have the gear capable of clearing it

[Seku]

Nobody can actually say this is a fact though?

TL;DR git gud

If anyone has cleared it within the first few weeks. Please step up and with proof. Until then the burden of proof lays with you.

Until then it's on the plate that PLD hasn't cleared either AS3 or AS4 without hitting enrage, for now there is quite the time span between original release and current time and the fact that each group that did clear it with a PLD where geared so that DPS checks could be made.

There is proof that Pld sucks at the following: Everything except it's O-shi button (Hollow).

What you can summarize from this is that if groups were pressing forward without PLD to begin with and were handling busters to begin with. PLD in it's current state is always going to be sub-optimal in every situation with a slight lead in mitigation that no one cares about and has lost it's main playing card which kept it relevant in the 2.0 series, it's safety.

TL: DR Learnpld.

it wouldn't just be, we can't meet the dps check

Edit: If you actually think it's only about the DPS problems, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and need to go read a bit more on the problems made obviously clear by a lot of top raiders on various forums. Then git gud at the other tanks.