Lets nerf WAR :D

[Kaisersoke]

PLD and DRK take more damage, to get to 100% damage taken.

WAR still take 100% damage, and lose the bonus HP and HP healed that made up for that.

All the non-tank stances are already equal in terms of damage taken.

Then PLD get better auto attacks, WAR gets 5% damage increase, and idk for DRK. More DARKNESS stuff probably, with higher damage in the end.

Seems that PLD could get an increase (maybe put the potency of sword to 100?) but apart from this, seems good enough. (strictly comparing stances)

while the facts and sources on this remain to be seen, it still doesnt address the fact that warriors do a better job both in tank and out of tank stance. they dont really need the hp the gain from defiance, considering they even go as far as to wear str accessories, and the extra boost to healing is just healer buffer.

[SpookyGhost]

while the facts and sources on this remain to be seen

http://xivdb.com/?skill/48/Defiance
http://xivdb.com/?skill/28/Shield-Oath
http://xivdb.com/?skill/3629/Grit

If no one has their tank stance on, they take the same damage, have the same health, and receive the same amount of healing. If all tanks take 1x damage out of their tank stance, and you force one of these tanks to take 2x damage, they can no longer take off their tank stance as they will be nothing but a burden to the healers. This would not only harm them as MT, but also as OT where every raid AOE will do 2x damage to them. I don't think you've thought this through.

[Kaisersoke]

http://xivdb.com/?skill/48/Defiance
http://xivdb.com/?skill/28/Shield-Oath
http://xivdb.com/?skill/3629/Grit

If no one has their tank stance on, they take the same damage, have the same health, and receive the same amount of healing. If all tanks take 1x damage out of their tank stance, and you force one of these tanks to take 2x damage, they can no longer take off their tank stance as they will be nothing but a burden to the healers. This would not only harm them as MT, but also as OT where every raid AOE will do 2x damage to them. I don't think you've thought this through.

i dont recall anywhere me saying warriors should take extra damage outside of tank stance. the point of my posts is that without tank stan e, theyre equal everywhere else and warriors do waaay more damage than other tanks. once again, read please and do not assume things

[Kuwagami]

they dont really need the hp the gain from defiance, considering they even go as far as to wear str accessories, and the extra boost to healing is just healer buffer.

This is straight up ignorant.

ALL tanks go with STR accessories and go out fine.

and the extra boost to healing combined with the increased HP results in the same (actually, super slightly lower) overall damage mitigation than shield oath or grit. It's NOT a "healer buffer". It's an actual meat sponge to soak the extra 25% damage we warriors take over the other 2 tanks.

[Kaisersoke]

This is straight up ignorant.

ALL tanks go with STR accessories and go out fine.

and the extra boost to healing combined with the increased HP results in the same (actually, super slightly lower) overall damage mitigation than shield oath or grit. It's NOT a "healer buffer". It's an actual meat sponge to soak the extra 25% damage we warriors take over the other 2 tanks.

its incredibly ignorant to imply that im saying other tanks dont use str accessories, cause i know they do. what i actually SAID, read will you, is that warriors DO NOT NEED the buffer they get from defiance, and that it only shows in that they are literally trying to shed VIT at all costs and stay in deliverance as MUCH as possible. idiot...

[Airswimmer]

they dont really need the hp the gain from defiance, considering they even go as far as to wear str accessories, and the extra boost to healing is just healer buffer.

You do know that every tank wears STR accessories, right?
The HP and heal increase on Defiance is the only way WAR has comparable eHP to both the PLD and DRK in their respective tanking stances. This has been established since 2.1.

[Iagainsti]

You do know that every tank wears STR accessories, right?
The HP and heal increase on Defiance is the only way WAR has comparable eHP to both the PLD and DRK in their respective tanking stances. This has been established since 2.1.

And the increase to their eHP is dependant on the healer for it to be effective. It's only relevant if the Warrior is topped up, otherwise is irrelevant.
@kaisersoke #byeFelicia

[Billeffingmurray]

The problem with this thread, and others like it, is that no one really cares why WAR has the kit it has, or deals the damage it does. All they see is that WARs have it, and they want it. SE will buff PLD if it sees fit. No ammount of arguing on the forums will help, and they likely wont take any of these dreadfull ideas with them. I understand the need to vent, but do we really need 2 or 3 threads a day devoted to it? This community (tank forums) useed to be a treasure trove of info. not the insult driven debacle it has devolved to. This is Anger all over again. DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

[Kaisersoke]

You do know that every tank wears STR accessories, right?
The HP and heal increase on Defiance is the only way WAR has comparable eHP to both the PLD and DRK in their respective tanking stances. This has been established since 2.1.

yeah? you mean to tell me they established the math of dark knights several patches before they released? hmmm...

[Iagainsti]

yeah? you mean to tell me they established the math of dark knights several patches before they released? hmmm...

Because you're an SE designer? More than likely they did establish the math of DRK way before it was released