What is a BAD player?

[Kingmanath]

A bad player has respect for nobody.

[Dererk]

A SMN who has to be told to stop spamming Ruin. And use their dots. Also had to tell them to use atherflow and Dread wyrm possession.

I swear this happened last week. On the last boss of Fractal.

[Meya]

A bad player to me is one who is pushy, abnoxious, bosses others around, thinks DPS is all that matters. Ignores boss mechanics, runs ahead of the party. Acts like a preteen when they are over 30.

[Malevicton]

Personally I don't watch videos. This is mainly due to I don't learn from watching. I learn more from trial and error then anything else. Can't help people's learning habits!

They're not mutually exclusive, though.

[Noxifer]

I'd like to echo those that have given plenty of 'bad attitude' examples. This is my number one culprit. Especially the ones that keep ragging on how other members of the party are so bad.

Once, back when me and a couple of friends had finally managed to get together an almost full raid party and started going into coil (some time last spring, so second coil was already out and first had been echoed and nerfed)... we ran into a DFed bard on T1 with sub-par gear (i55 mercenary pothelm, for example). He was above the requirement, of course, but only barely. He completely ignored silencing on the mini-boss, with the result of causing a wipe, and nearly killing us the second time (we barely made it that time). His reaction was to taunt us with how bad we were, that he had a level 90 character (level, not ilvl, though I assume he meant the latter) and that he was a pro. He kept up this "lol u nubs" talk the entire run... Not sure if we abandoned or if he ragequit or if we actually beat it with him still present... But to this day, we keep using "pothelm" as a term for (low-performance) bad-attitude players we run across ^^; Like... "got SV on my roulette with a pothelm tank".

I also dislike those people sneaking into farm parties when they haven't beaten the encounter. I don't mind at all if said 'new' person has seen the entire fight, or has an alt that has cleared it (and can prove it somehow), and contacts the party finder leader to ask if it's okay (or joins the group and then asks). But just sneaking in? Was in such a party once, where the 'tomestone bonus' message popped up. We asked who was the new one, and while we suspected one member of the party and specifically asked them, that person was all 'no, I'm not new'. Couldn't do the mechanics, and kept endangering us all (I think it was Ifrit Ex, and he ran around willy-nilly with the eruptions, hitting everyone and their mother, and generally... didn't get it), then at the end got the achievement, leaving everyone feeling kinda sour. I think all of us would have been a lot more okay with it if he'd actually said something, instead of pretending/lying like that =/

That's more of a context of being a bad person than a player. Think of it like sports.

And I am fairly certain that a football/soccer player who is going all, "I'm so much better than you guys at this game, so I'm gonna solo this match and won't let you have the ball if I can help it. All the goals should be made by me," would be thought of as a bad player by his or her team mates, because he/she doesn't play well with others. ^^; Just because you're good at the action doesn't mean you're good at the game, especially if the game includes cooperating with other people. So I'd argue that yeah, a bad attitude in a player = a bad player. This isn't a solo game like golf or 1-on-1 ball sports (tennis singles, etc). It's a 'team sport', which means working together with your team, not against them. But this, of course, is my opinion =) For me, playing an MMO is not only about being good at jumprope. It's being good at team jumprope. (To use a popular raid/primal term.)

A SMN who has to be told to stop spamming Ruin. And use their dots. Also had to tell them to use atherflow and Dread wyrm possession.

*cough* That could easily be me. I'm a craptastic SMN, but I readily admit this. I've gotten a bit better, but I got to 58 just the other day and got Dreadwyrm... and my reaction was "Oh great, another skill I can continuously forget to use \¬_¬/"
Though to be fair, I use my DoTs... I just tend to renew them a bit too often ^^; And I keep forgetting to use my pet's skills, though at least Garuda isn't on sic xD (I also rarely play SMN outside of a pre-made, so it mostly only affects people who know me and how well I play SMN... ^^; )

[Evangela]

slow paced tanks are the worsts.

[xXRaineXx]

slow paced tanks are the worsts.

This so many times...

Me: Nice! We got a bard/smn combo! Let's foe their asses!
SMN: I'll spam aoe's.
WHM: I'll spam holy!
Tank: ... *proceeds to single pull*
Me: Hey can you do BIIIIG pulls? We got so much aoe.
Tank: Why should I? I'm too lazy.

GG, plz uninstall.

[FOOLK1LLAH]

Tanks - it would be not being able to hold enmity while also not wearing armor that gives you a sufficient defense rating.
DPS- Not putting out the absolute most damage that your class can put out at your level and not trying to grab enmity away from the tank.
Healer- Not healing effectively and not casting buffs such as protect that provide adequate support for the party
In General- Getting hit by attacks that have visible markers or tells that otherwise make them easier to dodge, pumping stat points into attributes not appropriate for your class and job, equipping armor and weapons that aren't appropriate for your level just because they look cool (there's glamour for that)

[Hayward]

I hate healers who don't do dps and just stands there until tank gets hit to heal once. These healers usually don't get caught out when a big AoE hits. There's a time & place for DPS.

I hate tanks who thinks they control the speed of dungeons runs by single pulling when we have all the aoe in the world. I can say the same about meathead tanks who think they're Superman and try to pull entire rooms full of enemies.

I hate BLM's asking for Ballad. Who does this?

I hate Tanks just pulling bosses randomly without notice.

I hate Tanks, who can't even keep hate from a Bard. Again, who does this?

I hate Tanks who avoids aoe circles and let's it go to waste. OK, this is officially a troll post.

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[Hayward]

slow paced tanks are the worsts.

Do they clear the dungeons? If yes, your opinion means nothing. Pop a tranqulizer and live with it.