What is a BAD player?

[drmambo1999]

This topic is, something that has been going on since MMOs were a thing. We all have come across what we consider to be a "bad" player at some point. Heck, we all at some point have been that "bad" player. (Don't even try to deny it! XD)

There are many ways to define such a player, however, and many (if not all) are based completely on opinion.

I would like to know from everyone who cares to read this thread, what your personal thoughts are on what constitutes a "Bad" player. I will start with my own perspective on this topic in no particular order.

I would say my own opinion on what makes a player "bad" above all else, is the unwillingness to learn form their mistakes. Making mistakes or being undergeared do not make a player bad, but the refusal to change or outright deny help from other players, ESPECIALLY when the entire party needs this player to be on the same page is one of the most frustrating things I have come across in mmos.

That being said, I do also get annoyed with players who are overly serious about their gaming and treat everyone as if they should conform to their own standard of how the game should be played. I mean the players, that noticed you are doing an arbitrary amount less on DPS than you could be, (example would be coming from a BLM I did 1 less fire in my rotation before refreshing my mana) and decide to make a big deal out of it, even though the run went completely smooth. his can be applied to tanks and healers for that matter. Lets say a tank lost hate for a couple of trash pulls but got it back pretty easily and no one died but may have had to pop a cool down or a healer was cutting it a bit close with healing. I don't consider these traits of bad players, but rather players that made a couple of mistakes or just simply aren't performing at optimal levels.

I don't think a player needs to play their job to it's fullest potential to be a good player and not doing so certainly shouldn't label them as bad. If said player is causing wipes for the team and not making efforts to change that, THEN I would throw out the "bad" word.

The other type of player that really irks me, is the one that stands in every AOE and doesn't dodge things that will knock them out of the fight. Once again, I am not targeting the players that have this happen now and then because they misjudged their timing or whatever, but the ones that seem to look for AOEs to stand in and simply refuse to make an effort to move out of them.

I also dislike greatly the players that give up as soon as ANYTHING goes wrong in a fight. Now I understand that there are some cases where players should just wipe to make the time go by faster, but I have seen so many scenarios where we could have pulled through and everyone decided to just stand there and die or jump out of the fight because we lost a healer at the end or something. A recent example for me was Titan EX unsynced. In the final phase, our healer and tank died and we were left with the 4 DPS to finish the fight. I have been in many parties where this wasn't an issue as we can EASILY burn him down in unsynced mode but in this particular fight, my buddies decided it wasn't worth it and jumped there for actually wasting more time. Doing this now and then is one thing but if this is your answer to when ANYTHING goes wrong ever, then I consider you to be "Bad." XD

Those are a few bloated examples of my thoughts on this, please feel free to share your own and thank you for taking the time out of your day to read my (posted because I was killing time at work post) post. XD

[RozaB]

Bad- being utterly moronic. Not knowing how to do your job in 50+ dungeons... You have had 50 spoon fed levels to figure this out. How dense are you?! Or like you said, no dodging. Like really dodging starts at lvl1 puks do a frontal attack that can be dodged. Figure it out.

Also not to say they are "bad" but I don't understand the good enough attitude. I understand that not everyone will or even can be top tier but why do you not want to even try to better yourself?

Kind of off topic. But baddies who try to sneak their first clear into a farm party are scum lol

[drmambo1999]

Bad- being utterly moronic. Not knowing how to do your job in 50+ dungeons... You have had 50 spoon fed levels to figure this out. How dense are you?! Or like you said, no dodging. Like really dodging starts at lvl1 puks do a frontal attack that can be dodged. Figure it out.

Also not to say they are "bad" but I don't understand the good enough attitude. I understand that not everyone will or even can be top tier but why do you not want to even try to better yourself?

Kind of off topic. But baddies who try to sneak their first clear into a farm party are scum lol

Lol I have done that last one. XD I like to think i am not bad, but after a while of having crap luck with PF clear parties, I will join a farm party if I feel I know the fight well enough. It is always awkward when those additional tomestones pop up though. XP I can agree with the "good enough" attitude as well. I think people shouldn't be too hard on themselves but when they decide it is fine to just idle at a sub par skill level, it can be irksome.

[Kathyz]

Plain and simple, a Bad player its the one who don't want to learn from the team for the team, Drops out, rinse and repeat.... and that Monk of yesterday who only now Snap Punch.

[VargasVermillion]

I define a bad player as someone who doesn't want or try to improve at the game yet still demands to get rewards for playing the game. Because lets face it, it's really the only way you could be truly bad at this game. The bar isn't that high. otherwise it's lack of research or ignorance of mechanics and I'm not just referring to instances themselves.

[Fevelle]

I define a bad player as someone who doesn't want or try to improve at the game yet still demands to get rewards for playing the game. Because lets face it, it's really the only way you could be truly bad at this game. The bar isn't that high. otherwise it's lack of research or ignorance of mechanics and I'm not just referring to instances themselves.

Now we only have one way of acquiring ilv210 equips, with raiding. Not everyone likes raiding (like me), I don't have time, I don't have patience to "progress" trough anything and I don't have an open schedule where I can have day and hour to play a game (really, this isn't work, knowing that people have raid hours programmed doesn't make sense in my mind), and yes, I demand casual content where I can be rewarded dor playing the game for the amount of time I have. And I'm glad to say that SQEX heard the pleas of the casual player base with the explorations and its drops.

[VargasVermillion]

I don't have time

Casual or not is irrelevant to me, if you do not try to put in effort when playing your class/role and still want the same rewards as those that do then you are a bad player. I'm not calling people who don't raid 'bad' I don't even raid anymore. But most people who use 'casual' as an excuse are generally just lazy and expect rewards for basically doing nothing in the game. If you actually do lack time to do any content in game then you don't really have time to be playing it at all.
Raid fights for example only take 20 mins tops, any other time is spent learning fights so if you really wanted to do raid content you could, you would just have to deal with not getting rewards right away or getting content done before others (which doesn't really matter unless you are going for world firsts anyway).

[NoahArks]

Awful player: Only being able to mention flaws or insults/tries to be funny against people that are worse in the game.

Bad player: Someone that just doesn't want to accept changes on his own job class.

[FoxyAreku]

In every game I play I don't really care if the people I play with are bad. It's stupidity I can't stand, and that's what causes me the most inconvienence.

[AeraLure]

For me its just someone who doesn't treat the other players on the team like people - you know, just be friendly, understanding. I'm not going to be unhappy if someone makes a mistake, hasn't learned some mechanic yet, doesn't play their job to the fullest efficiency etc. I'm not talking raids here - with something like Alex there's a minimum expectation to be met - I don't care how skilled you are, if you make someone else feel like crap you hit the top spot of bad player for me.