What is a BAD player?

[drmambo1999]

This topic is, something that has been going on since MMOs were a thing. We all have come across what we consider to be a "bad" player at some point. Heck, we all at some point have been that "bad" player. (Don't even try to deny it! XD)

There are many ways to define such a player, however, and many (if not all) are based completely on opinion.

I would like to know from everyone who cares to read this thread, what your personal thoughts are on what constitutes a "Bad" player. I will start with my own perspective on this topic in no particular order.

I would say my own opinion on what makes a player "bad" above all else, is the unwillingness to learn form their mistakes. Making mistakes or being undergeared do not make a player bad, but the refusal to change or outright deny help from other players, ESPECIALLY when the entire party needs this player to be on the same page is one of the most frustrating things I have come across in mmos.

That being said, I do also get annoyed with players who are overly serious about their gaming and treat everyone as if they should conform to their own standard of how the game should be played. I mean the players, that noticed you are doing an arbitrary amount less on DPS than you could be, (example would be coming from a BLM I did 1 less fire in my rotation before refreshing my mana) and decide to make a big deal out of it, even though the run went completely smooth. his can be applied to tanks and healers for that matter. Lets say a tank lost hate for a couple of trash pulls but got it back pretty easily and no one died but may have had to pop a cool down or a healer was cutting it a bit close with healing. I don't consider these traits of bad players, but rather players that made a couple of mistakes or just simply aren't performing at optimal levels.

I don't think a player needs to play their job to it's fullest potential to be a good player and not doing so certainly shouldn't label them as bad. If said player is causing wipes for the team and not making efforts to change that, THEN I would throw out the "bad" word.

The other type of player that really irks me, is the one that stands in every AOE and doesn't dodge things that will knock them out of the fight. Once again, I am not targeting the players that have this happen now and then because they misjudged their timing or whatever, but the ones that seem to look for AOEs to stand in and simply refuse to make an effort to move out of them.

I also dislike greatly the players that give up as soon as ANYTHING goes wrong in a fight. Now I understand that there are some cases where players should just wipe to make the time go by faster, but I have seen so many scenarios where we could have pulled through and everyone decided to just stand there and die or jump out of the fight because we lost a healer at the end or something. A recent example for me was Titan EX unsynced. In the final phase, our healer and tank died and we were left with the 4 DPS to finish the fight. I have been in many parties where this wasn't an issue as we can EASILY burn him down in unsynced mode but in this particular fight, my buddies decided it wasn't worth it and jumped there for actually wasting more time. Doing this now and then is one thing but if this is your answer to when ANYTHING goes wrong ever, then I consider you to be "Bad." XD

Those are a few bloated examples of my thoughts on this, please feel free to share your own and thank you for taking the time out of your day to read my (posted because I was killing time at work post) post. XD

[RozaB]

Bad- being utterly moronic. Not knowing how to do your job in 50+ dungeons... You have had 50 spoon fed levels to figure this out. How dense are you?! Or like you said, no dodging. Like really dodging starts at lvl1 puks do a frontal attack that can be dodged. Figure it out.

Also not to say they are "bad" but I don't understand the good enough attitude. I understand that not everyone will or even can be top tier but why do you not want to even try to better yourself?

Kind of off topic. But baddies who try to sneak their first clear into a farm party are scum lol

[Kaze3434]

list of being a bad;

1. not reading the tool tips for the skills you get as you lvl up, or at all.
2. thinking you are entitled to have 3-7 other people do the work for you.
3. saying "i play how i want" to justify spamming one move.
4. refusing to acknowledge what role your job is.(I.E. a healer not healing at all, or a smn/blm only using physic)
5. resorting to lying to join a party that is asking for specific exp.
6. refusing to use job appropriate gear.(tanks are safe from this. dps and healers are not.)
7. using gil to buy a win, then proceeding to join a farm group, thinking you know the fight.(certain circumstances aside.)

there is more, but these are what i see happen the most.

[ReddAxel]

People who refuse to learn from their mistakes like you already said, whether it's handling a mechanic or something else. Also people who don't make the most out of the class they're playing. It's one thing to level a job and learn as you go, but there's no reason to be lazy, such as not keeping a necessary buff you need up, like Wanderer's Minuet or Huton. You don't have to be the best dps but you should be generally playing your class right.

[Taei]

Dps that come into DR EX with zenith weapon and think its ok.

[Gaddes]

Tanks in dungeons that insist on storming ahead and continually pulling too many mobs at once even after the group dies from that the first time. Usually these are also Tanks that don't know how to properly manage defensive cooldowns and don't pop them appropriately so the giant wave of mobs go through them like wet paper.

Tanks that don't understand how to manage hate on more than 2 mobs at a time.

Tanks that fidget and dance around with mobs and don't even attempt to stay still for positional-dependant DPS.

DPS that still don't seem to understand how to target the mobs the Tank is focusing on, and instead keep wailing on a separate mob and then spaz out when it aggroes them.

[ReddAxel]

Dps that come into DR EX with zenith weapon and think its ok.

I had to call out a SMN the other day in Alexander normal for bringing his zeta weapon into the duty. Didn't wanna take all day killing Oppressors because someone brought in their trash leveling gear lol.

[drmambo1999]

Dps that come into DR EX with zenith weapon and think its ok.

lol Okay I usually try to be fairly lenient on gear but yeah...... That's pretty bad. XD

[RiceisNice]

If they're being willfully ignorant and throw the "I play how I want" card to justify their subpar play, thats a good example of a bad player.

[drmambo1999]

Bad- being utterly moronic. Not knowing how to do your job in 50+ dungeons... You have had 50 spoon fed levels to figure this out. How dense are you?! Or like you said, no dodging. Like really dodging starts at lvl1 puks do a frontal attack that can be dodged. Figure it out.

Also not to say they are "bad" but I don't understand the good enough attitude. I understand that not everyone will or even can be top tier but why do you not want to even try to better yourself?

Kind of off topic. But baddies who try to sneak their first clear into a farm party are scum lol

Lol I have done that last one. XD I like to think i am not bad, but after a while of having crap luck with PF clear parties, I will join a farm party if I feel I know the fight well enough. It is always awkward when those additional tomestones pop up though. XP I can agree with the "good enough" attitude as well. I think people shouldn't be too hard on themselves but when they decide it is fine to just idle at a sub par skill level, it can be irksome.