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  1. #91
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    Sleigh's Avatar
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    Philia Felice
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ClairDeLune View Post
    But also, some healers are elitist or have ego issues and use it as a way of saying "Screw you, you F'd up and died, so I'm going to make it obvious to the entire group by leaving you dead. And look at how good I am solo healing.
    Some co-healers in PUGs are literally not worth the Swiftcast + MP + GCD to raise. That's not even me being an elitist here, sometimes PUGs won't survive the fight if you raise them, or they are so bad that your MP usage is that much more efficient than what they'll bring to a fight.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 09-14-2015 at 02:14 AM.

  2. #92
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    MayuraT's Avatar
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    Mayura Takamori
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    White Mage Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by dayspring83 View Post
    Ugh this drives me crazier than all of the bad healing habits mentioned in this post. Why can't people (and their characters) be still for a minute? Noticed that there are a lot of people who have to move or jump every second.

    Sorry I'm done. Struck a nerve. Carry on.
    Sorry, i definitely do this when i want the tank to start pulling cuz we're ready at the starting line for a long time @_@;
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  3. #93
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    MayuraT's Avatar
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    Mayura Takamori
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    WHM has like a million options for a heal if the Tank is almost dead... ~ ... why are they taking so much damage right off the bat? There is absolutely no reason to throw divine seal medica II straight away instead of throwing DoT's in cleric stance...

    Like seriously why are you throwing out a panic heal on the whole party when only the Tank is taking a bit of damage?
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    I guess some people don't DPS and/or react as I have stated. Again, interesting.

    Proactive vs. reactive, big big difference in skill.
    I'm confused now... when there's a group of bees tank pull like 4xbees+tree or 6+mobs at once, i like to divine seal+medica2, cure2, regen, cs, then holy spam. That's pretty much divine seal+ medica 2 right at the start, is that wrong? >.> so far i've never had a single complaint or anyone dying. I've also never really had a problem with tank holding hate, maybe like only once or twice ever.
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  4. #94
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    MayuraT's Avatar
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    Mayura Takamori
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    White Mage Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    Some co-healers in PUGs are literally not worth the Swiftcast + MP + GCD to raise. That's not even me being an elitist here, sometimes PUGs won't survive the fight if you raise them, or they are so bad that your MP usage is that much more efficient than what they'll bring to a fight.
    I will not raise in Titan HM if you died more than 1-2 times, you will remain dead and it's not because of elitist or anything, it's just realistically you are not going to survive the stomps so there's no point in raising.

    Have to say i haven't met a healers that is like "Screw you, you F'd up and died, so I'm going to make it obvious to the entire group by leaving you dead. And look at how good I am solo healing." but if that ever happens i probably deserved it.
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  5. #95
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    MayuraT's Avatar
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    Mayura Takamori
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    My reasons...

    1. Stoneskin II takes too long to cast, i don't like using swiftcast when not necessary so i like to stoneskin II right when i zone in then stoneskin the players that were missed. (Or half the time the other healer takes care of the rest)

    2. When i want to DPS but usually a regen on MT takes care of that.

    3. "Not resurrecting your co-healer if they die (and there's plenty of time/mana.) Why? " OK, the preset assumption is "there's plenty of time/mana." - sorry but i have just never experienced this.
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  6. #96
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    Veigas Shiffer
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    Omega
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    1- If Stoneskin1 then no problem, if it is Stoneskin2 then....impatient or dumb lol
    2- It happened to me a bunch of times, watching a WHM/AST cast a Medica 2/Aspc. Helios 2 followed by Cure 2/ Benefic 2 is painful...
    3- Dumb... just dumb.... even if you don't have swiftcast there are ways to quickly/safely raise your co-healer.
    For WHMs- Presence of Mind>Raise
    For ASTs- Lightspeed> Raise
    For SCHs though....Rouse your eos and cast whispering dawn+succor followed by ressurection (i've done that plenty of times and it worked)

    For me though.
    1- When i've just protect'ed and stoneskin'ed everyone and the other healer cast protect and stoneskin all over again....WHY? JUST WHY?
    2- For the sake of the twelve, make a Raise/Ressurrect/Ascend macro with some sound effects in it, seeing a double raise on the same player is just.......painful.
    3- When i'm with my AST and the other AST activates the same sect i'm on.... and keeps overwriting my buffs.....what the?? Are you blind?? Do you have a brain??
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    Last edited by Muahbec; 09-14-2015 at 11:10 AM.

  7. #97
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by MayuraT View Post
    I'm confused now... when there's a group of bees tank pull like 4xbees+tree or 6+mobs at once, i like to divine seal+medica2, cure2, regen, cs, then holy spam. That's pretty much divine seal+ medica 2 right at the start, is that wrong? >.> so far i've never had a single complaint or anyone dying. I've also never really had a problem with tank holding hate, maybe like only once or twice ever.
    Medica II just takes additional time and is fairly wasteful when the tank is the only one taking damage.

    Considering that the first Holy stuns everything, you really don't need a massive healbomb lead-up. A Stoneskin in effect prior to the pull, a Divine Seal Regen, and (if necessary) a Cure I/II to top off the tank immediately prior to a SC+Holy is fine. If things are still alive when the stunlock wears off and the Regen drops, throw an Asylum on the tank along with the fresh Regen to keep more GCDs free for DPS.

    Stopping to hardcast Medica II at the beginning just gives mobs more time to lay into the tank, not to mention the additional drain on your MP, which is already stretched if you are going all-out on DPS in addition to healing normally.
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  8. #98
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    Cherub's Avatar
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    Miasma Eschaton
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    I'm guilty of leaving the other healer dead. But only if I deem him/her not worth being raised.

    Personally
    1) I don't get the healers that keep up aspected helios the entire fight. Even if there is no party damage incoming. Why are so many ast dead set on keeping up asp helios. I even read someone posting "In diurnal sect you have to keep up asp helios all the time".

    2) The other healer overwriting protect and stoneskin.
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  9. #99
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    I was on AST yesterday spamming Garuda HM for the AST weapon for glamour, and ended up paired with a WHM that did two of the things that get on my nerves the most.

    Duty starts, I cast Protect. He then casts Stoneskin II. Then he goes on to re-cast Protect even though I had already cast it and everyone was good to go. Then, before the tank even pulls Garuda, he casts Medica II on the party. Of course, Garuda went straight for him the moment the tank pulled and he almost died.
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  10. #100
    Player LeeraSorlan's Avatar
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    Leera Katz
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    I was on AST yesterday spamming Garuda HM for the AST weapon for glamour, and ended up paired with a WHM that did two of the things that get on my nerves the most.

    Duty starts, I cast Protect. He then casts Stoneskin II. Then he goes on to re-cast Protect even though I had already cast it and everyone was good to go. Then, before the tank even pulls Garuda, he casts Medica II on the party. Of course, Garuda went straight for him the moment the tank pulled and he almost died.
    Why does him recasting protect annoy you?For alot of whms casting SS and protect is just a habbit, especially if you played whm pre HW were whm protect was the strongest and youd reapply it anyway.
    The med 2 tho, yea. Bad
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