Why do Healers...

[technole]

Didn't know I could use PoM for a rez, thanks for the tip! It's not often that happens, but never seems to fail it's always any time I do a Swiftcast Medica II that someone usually has to die right after lol.

I wish more healers would realize the value of Swiftcast+Medica II in some situations (same extent as AST's light speed). Even in Savage for when there are several mechanics happening. Or like the last boss in Neverreap so you never have to stand still and get hit. If anyone dies, it's likely because they have fallen off lol.

Honestly I rather not use a PoM for a raise if at all possible. It's sort of a last resort in raid content if no one else has swift up I guess. I like to use the skill liberally whether for catching up, DPS push, etc.

[Seraphyna]

Ideally you don't even want to cast a single heal for the first few % of the boss so the Tank has time to get through their rotation and firmly establish threat. Even if the Tank pulled if the first thing you do is divine seal and medica II the Tank will have problems dealing with a huge spike in your threat..

If a tank cannot hold hate through this at level 60, they need to go back to "tank and spank" school and learn.

You will not always have fights where there are no damage right off the bat. You will have some where they are getting their asses kicked first thing. Are you really going to stand there and go... but but... they don't have aggro yet.. I can't heal... I really do wonder if you would just stand there and let them die. Perhaps this is why I see so many healers do absolutely NO healing on tanks that obviously need it, out of fear.

[Tint]

what really bothers me is a healer who casts protect / stoneskin 2 RIGHT AFTER I WAS CASTING IT ON THE WHOLE GROUP >.>

if a healer does this i'll prepare for soloheal, because it seems he has no idea what is happing around him and what is cohealer does xD and i'm not talking about some situation where we start the cast at (almost) the same time... i am buffing the whole party. 20 seconds later the other healer is buffing the whole party again... c.c,, and that happens really often...

[technole]

If a tank cannot hold hate through this at level 60, they need to go back to "tank and spank" school and learn.

100% true, all tanks should be able to secure an initial hate lead at the boss pull. If they don't they are probably face pulling and doing stuff that is amateur level. Not even DPS is going to hold back at level 60, let alone 50.

what really bothers me is a healer who casts protect / stoneskin 2 RIGHT AFTER I WAS CASTING IT ON THE WHOLE GROUP >.>

Oh yeah.

Also if it's WHM+WHM and the other is hard casting Stoneskin II, I always swift it to beat them out. xD

[Leiloni]

what really bothers me is a healer who casts protect / stoneskin 2 RIGHT AFTER I WAS CASTING IT ON THE WHOLE GROUP >.>

I hate this so much!! Like pay attention to what's going on, people are already buffed! Occasionally I'll even say it in chat but they don't reply at all.

Also if it's WHM+WHM and the other is hard casting Stoneskin II, I always swift it to beat them out. xD

I'm glad I'm not the only one that does this and it's really only to spite them. But they probably don't even notice. These are the same WHM's that spam heals non stop when it's entirely unnecessary. I see them and just go full dps mode unless I'm really needed for something. It's like ok, if you're that OCD and/or afraid of people dying, (or maybe just bad), I'll let you go ahead and do that. I saw one with about 95% overheal. I've been doing a lot of trial roulette for my WHM's relic, I'm on Lights right now. So I'm seeing a lot of different healers. Most of them drive me nuts. I wonder if anyone else in the group even notices when healers play like that.

This is how I "win" the unspoken dual AST DF fight. Load in first and make sure I'm in Diurnal stance. Have never had to heal in Noct spec so far.

As a follow up to this I've had a few AST/AST runs so far where the other healer did not want to go Noct spec. In one I think tank pulled before one of us could switch and this was A4 where I'd had a string of bad runs that night so I peaced out (I don't know why the tank thought that the best time to pull is when your two healers are busy figuring things out in chat and clearly not ready to go). I also had a trial with Dual AST where he refused to go Noct saying that our HoTs could stack after I told him they couldn't. At that point I intentionally stayed Diurnal spec and proceeded to overwrite his HOTs for the entire thing just to prove a point lol.

On the other side of that, I've encountered a number of AST's on my WHM that always go Noct spec when they see me. It drives me nuts that they're not in Diurnal but there's so many of them that just immediately go with it. Why? My WHM is only 56 and has been doing mostly level 50 content, so none of that requires a shield stance and Diurnal is just so much better.

[technole]

These are the same WHM's that spam heals non stop when it's entirely unnecessary. I see them and just go full dps mode unless I'm really needed for something. It's like ok, if you're that OCD and/or afraid of people dying, (or maybe just bad), I'll let you go ahead and do that. I saw one with about 95% overheal. I've been doing a lot of trial roulette for my WHM's relic, I'm on Lights right now. So I'm seeing a lot of different healers. Most of them drive me nuts. I wonder if anyone else in the group even notices when healers play like that.

I'll call them paper cut healers. Good in that faceroll content "ok, if you want overheal I'll just stay in clerics, thanks". As a tank in a lower level its just something to deal with, sometimes they get the hint.

As a follow up to this I've had a few AST/AST runs so far where the other healer did not want to go Noct spec. In one I think tank pulled before one of us could switch and this was A4 where I'd had a string of bad runs that night so I peaced out (I don't know why the tank thought that the best time to pull is when your two healers are busy figuring things out in chat and clearly not ready to go). I also had a trial with Dual AST where he refused to go Noct saying that our HoTs could stack after I told him they couldn't. At that point I intentionally stayed Diurnal spec and proceeded to overwrite his HOTs for the entire thing just to prove a point lol.

On the other side of that, I've encountered a number of AST's on my WHM that always go Noct spec when they see me. It drives me nuts that they're not in Diurnal but there's so many of them that just immediately go with it. Why? My WHM is only 56 and has been doing mostly level 50 content, so none of that requires a shield stance and Diurnal is just so much better.

Scholar has always been my sub-main and I don't mind using Noct when I can. Noct is still very good in many instances instead of two regen jobs plus it has the +5% healing potency. Like in Ravena EX you absolutely want a shield healer when possible to cover for vulnerability/DoT mistakes, or even Final Liberation.

Only one time in AST/AST where it bugged me the other one didn't want to go Noct was The Chrysalis. I already loaded in with Diurnal and that is always my way to say how I'm going to play, but they didn't stance until after the pull. Shield is good to have there for possible orb mistakes, before the AoE, and the Triple hard tank hits. It is true a lot of ASTs don't know regen doesn't stack. Noct isn't perfect by any means, it has it's use, can save a life in extreme content, and the healing potency bonus that I don't think some players really think about.

[MXMoondoggie]

If a tank cannot hold hate through this at level 60, they need to go back to "tank and spank" school and learn.

You will not always have fights where there are no damage right off the bat. You will have some where they are getting their asses kicked first thing. Are you really going to stand there and go... but but... they don't have aggro yet.. I can't heal... I really do wonder if you would just stand there and let them die. Perhaps this is why I see so many healers do absolutely NO healing on tanks that obviously need it, out of fear.

WHM has like a million options for a heal if the Tank is almost dead. Especially at the start of the fight. They probably also have stoneskin,e4e,Adloquium etc so why are they taking so much damage right off the bat? There is absolutely no reason to throw divine seal medica II straight away instead of throwing DoT's in cleric stance and doing some DPS.

Like seriously why are you throwing out a panic heal on the whole party when only the Tank is taking a bit of damage? The fact you are talking down to me while suggesting this is just funny.

[Seraphyna]

WHM has like a million options for a heal if the Tank is almost dead. Especially at the start of the fight. They probably also have stoneskin,e4e,Adloquium etc so why are they taking so much damage right off the bat? There is absolutely no reason to throw divine seal medica II straight away instead of throwing DoT's in cleric stance and doing some DPS.

Like seriously why are you throwing out a panic heal on the whole party when only the Tank is taking a bit of damage? The fact you are talking down to me while suggesting this is just funny.

Your feelings got hurt from a simple question from an action I see from a lot from healers when I'm on my DPS job. Interesting.

I guess some people don't DPS and/or react as I have stated. Again, interesting.

Proactive vs. reactive, big big difference in skill.

[Nadirah]

But what happens when both ASTs zone in in Dinural?

[Saggo]

3. If I'm already in a sect or have a fairy out, you better roll with the other option.

Dual Selene is full uptime on Fey Wind, though.