We should ally with the Garleans

[myahele]

People love the Garleans, but what about the Asciens? They just want their god back and apparently if we only knew the truth about Hydaelyn that we'd join them too

[Xanikk999]

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No it's not willfully ignorant and it was not just a century ago. What do you think they asked us to do in the copperbell mines? We were asked to wipe them all out damn their feelings. Uldah did not even want to negotiate or make amends and neither did they try. Also you are being hypocritical by calling me willfully ignorant while ignoring the second part of my argument. Uldah still has uncaring money grubbing people in control. The main storyline has shown the lengths they are willing to go to to further their coin. Just look at the plot that got teleje adeleje killed and lolorito taking advantage of it. These two people are hardly unique among ulduans either the whole culture cares about money and the people that don't are the non-merchants and underclass which has no power.

[Belhi]

The garleans methods aren't even that much different then some of the city states. Look at uldah for example, they enslaved the gigas and kept them in mines their entire lives. When they rightfully rebelled the collapsed the mines ontop of them to get rid of them. It's not like things have ever changed either the people in charge of Uldah are just a different kind of evil. They only love money and will do anything to get it even neglect others to the point of death. The empress is the only one who thinks differently.

You mean apart from at least a 3rd of the syndicate members, Raubahn and Godbert.

I think I said it earlier but the issue with the Garleans isn't that they are evil and the city states are good but what is happening right now. If the Garleans changed there methods we probably wouldn't be their enemies. However between their arrogance and hubris when it comes to messing with dangerous powers and their focus on conquest and genocide, their current policies are very wrong.

If Uldah was pulling the same shit today as they did in the past we probably wouldn't be so friendly with them. Infact the last beasttribe quest chain in 2.X has us siding with a alliance of the beasttribes against members from the city states. There is also the Ashcrown Consortium.

The city states also don't have a open policy of aggression and while they aren't without blame they aren't focused on genocide and are open to peace. You'll note that the Maelstrom officer that works with the 789th Kobolds doesn't get executed for treason when her superiors find out. Likewise, the end of the Sahagin Beasttribe quests show that Limsan officials are open to peace with the Sahagin.

Almost all the problems with the beasttribes come from the actions of the non beasttribe races and the majority of those are directly due to the actions of the Garleans. The Sylphs summon Ramuh due to Garlean incursions in their territories. Likewise the Ixali and the Amal'jaa summoned their primals as a result of feeling threatened. The Sahagin are only in open conflict with the Limsans because the Calamity, which the Garleans caused, destroyed their old spawning grounds.

The Primal problem and the hostile beasttribes a problem mostly caused by the Garleans in the first place. They are talking about solving a problem they themselves keep causing.

[Xanikk999]

Almost all the problems with the beasttribes come from the actions of the non beasttribe races and the majority of those are directly due to the actions of the Garleans.

Ascians really if you want to get down the base of the problem. The only beast tribes I think your argument holds merit with are those of the Gigas, Sahagin and Kobolds. Aside from the Slyphs the others have shown themselves to be aggressive without any provokation.

Likewise the Ixali and the Amal'jaa summoned their primals as a result of feeling threatened.

Even if that's true that doesn't justify there actions of aggression against the Eorzean city states. The Amal'jaa have been slave raiding and killing uldans unprovoked and they are responsible for the blood on their hands. Same with the Ixali regarding gridanians. It was their choice to invade and it was not justified.

[Yeldir]

People love the Garleans, but what about the Asciens? They just want their god back and apparently if we only knew the truth about Hydaelyn that we'd join them too

Then they need to quit playing coy and spill the $#*@ing beans, already!

[VargasVermillion]

The debate around this is so energetic that it makes me pine for factional PVP. People would really get into their roles.

lol Imagine the banter that would take place, Would be fun tbh.

[Goodberry]

I also have no doubt that future expansions will take us into the imperial cities - and I have no doubt you'll find them prosperous, probably even pleasant, although strict. My reasoning for this is fairly simple: The Imperials are modeled after the Roman Empire, plain as day. Being a Roman citizen was pretty much the best deal around for its time, and during the peak of the Roman Empire, acceptance for citizenship was an immensely coveted thing.

Roman Empire? Are you kidding?
I simply can't believe that people can actually root for the Garlean Empire, who would turn the world into a mechanical totalitarian nightmare. Do you need more explanation why our (REAL) world is so messed up? Don't look further. People like the darn Garlean Empire, though the devs do their best to paint them as absolute villains. And STILL people root for them. Unbelievable.
It's like people in WoW rooting for the Burning Legion.
I'd say "get a grip, folks", but I know it's no use. You'll get no grip.
Also, this thread is probably the nadir of my whole Internet experience. It's really scary and depressing, beyond words.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Roman Empire? Are you kidding?
I simply can't believe that people can actually root for the Garlean Empire, who would turn the world into a mechanical totalitarian nightmare. Do you need more explanation why our (REAL) world is so messed up? Don't look further. People like the darn Garlean Empire, though the devs do their best to paint them as absolute villains. And STILL people root for them. Unbelievable.
It's like people in WoW rooting for the Burning Legion.
I'd say "get a grip, folks", but I know it's no use. You'll get no grip.
Also, this thread is probably the nadir of my whole Internet experience. It's really scary and depressing, beyond words.

I grew numb to such feelings so I pretty much gave up caring.

[astrobearis]

Roman Empire? Are you kidding?
I simply can't believe that people can actually root for the Garlean Empire, who would turn the world into a mechanical totalitarian nightmare. Do you need more explanation why our (REAL) world is so messed up? Don't look further. People like the darn Garlean Empire, though the devs do their best to paint them as absolute villains. And STILL people root for them. Unbelievable.
It's like people in WoW rooting for the Burning Legion.
I'd say "get a grip, folks", but I know it's no use. You'll get no grip.
Also, this thread is probably the nadir of my whole Internet experience. It's really scary and depressing, beyond words.

this,all of this. you know i always wonder how stuff like the holocaust could even happen, like what kind of a person could even justify that crap, but this thread is just...wow.

some people are so willing to follow evil, no matter what.

I don't like the stupid good that the warrior of light seems to possess. Evil for the sake of evil is boring but so is good for the sake of being good. I like the flavour the Garlean empire has.

flavor? the empire is EVIL FOR EVIL SAKE!!! just like ascians.

[Xanikk999]

Roman Empire? Are you kidding?
I simply can't believe that people can actually root for the Garlean Empire, who would turn the world into a mechanical totalitarian nightmare. Do you need more explanation why our (REAL) world is so messed up? Don't look further. People like the darn Garlean Empire, though the devs do their best to paint them as absolute villains. And STILL people root for them. Unbelievable.
It's like people in WoW rooting for the Burning Legion.
I'd say "get a grip, folks", but I know it's no use. You'll get no grip.
Also, this thread is probably the nadir of my whole Internet experience. It's really scary and depressing, beyond words.

I don't like the stupid good that the warrior of light seems to possess. Evil for the sake of evil is boring but so is good for the sake of being good. I like the flavour the Garlean empire has.