We should ally with the Garleans

[Dererk]

I don't believe it's wrong to want to conquer. To unify the lands. At the same time I don't think it's wrong to resist and fight for your liberty. It's a fight - it's a war. Choose your side and stick to it.

Just wish we had a choice.

We didn't ask for this war we didn't ask to be concurred we don't have any ambition to expand our boarders. No one ever asks this sure maybe if that one shielded guy if his nation was as messed up as he said sure maybe they'd benefit from being part of them.

But ours aren't messed up sure they have problems like every other but wer no where near tearing our selves apart. Also don't for get yes Ul dah has problems but those wer only intensified because Garmald placed an agent of theirs there to intensify their problems to make it easier to concur Ul dah they did the same thing with Al mahigo they sent an agent in made the bad situations worse so they'd have an esuer time to just walk in and take it all.

[astrobearis]

LOL @ all the people going "the empire isn't evil, just misunderstood!"

...i mean dropiing a moon onto a contient, razing an entire civilizations to the ground, wants to kill members of a race(s) to sort of prevent the "eikon" from coming back (EVEN THOUGH ALL THIS PRIMAL MESS WAS STARTED BY THEIR INVASION OF MOR DHONA), brainwash children, kill the "useless" people of a subjugated country and use everyone else as slaves, or hell even sex slaves, for whatever mess up objectives they have, constantly want to keep invading other countries to repeat the atrocities said above isn't "evil" at all!

i know this a video game, and the people defending such action,"isn't their real life vies", but i honestly am horrifed that there are some people on this forum that would even tries to whitewash this shit.you in Swtor, a game where you can be a empire player, all the people in that faction outright admits that there side is evil. there is not "well we are the bad guys here!" nah the sith empire and all its warriors are honestly upfront about their crimes, it is just they don't care, or justify as revenge for what happen at korriban long ago.

look if you want to join a evil faction, stop lying to yourself and just said so, it really funny to see all the pro-imperial trying their hardest to downplay all the horrible and ongoing deeds.

[Velhart]

Both the Eorzea Alliance and Garlemald Empire share the same issue of keeping the world safe from primals. Garlemald believes that they should be fought by everyone being unified and all ruled under one leader. While the Eorzea Alliance believes in joining different minds together and goes about a way that benefits everyone, not just themselves (ideally at least). Basically, Garlemald's methods are the most efficient and would be a better system of keeping things in check, but you are basically tossing your freedom away in the process, which is worse in the long run.

These two side's ideals are just too different for them to fully cooperate. The only way I can see us joining them is if by us or someone else conquers them and takes over their government, forcing them into submission. How the game sets them up however, there is always -someone- from there going to cause trouble and will likely always be each expansion pack, rather if they are the main focus or not. I think the large scale attempt to take over Eorzea from 2.0 will likely not be a thing for a good while. I see Garlemald right now as the group that will make the situation worse in another situation that is going on like in the Heavensward story.

Maybe we will get more defectors like Cid and get more of their technology like the magitek armor, but I don't see us ever allying with them.

[Gaiussenpai]

Gaius is our martyr and saviour

[BubblyBoar]

People seem to think that the Empire's main goal is stopping primals first and taking over second. I'm confused on how that got turned around. Their goal, first and foremost, is to take over and conquer. They are imperialist. Even if Eorzea had no primals, that'd be fighting just as hard. As a matter of fact, when they first invaded (after taking Ala Mhigo) and Middy crashed their prize into the lake, the seal that held back the primals were broken.

You know that that means? The primals were not a present issue until the Empire came and screwed up. So they come back 5 years later and start spreading their propaganda (just like with Ala Mhigo) About how they are on a righteous mission to kill all the primals and some players actually fall for it. They even took the time to outright attack and murder the only group doing the exact same thing. Long before there was any conflicts between them. Sounds like they want to make Eorzea's only hope of stopping Primals (which again, they unsealed) the Empire.

The debate around this is so energetic that it makes me pine for factional PVP. People would really get into their roles.

We have faction PvP, everyone hates it.

The garleans methods aren't even that much different then some of the city states. Look at uldah for example, they enslaved the gigas and kept them in mines their entire lives. When they rightfully rebelled the collapsed the mines ontop of them to get rid of them. It's not like things have ever changed either the people in charge of Uldah are just a different kind of evil. They only love money and will do anything to get it even neglect others to the point of death. The empress is the only one who thinks differently.

That was literally a century or so ago. Ul'dah is more or less more civilized and recognize that such a thing is wrong. Yes, the city state still has MANY problems, but enslavement is not one of them. Meanwhile, the Empire has been imperialist and have not learned from their ways. They continue to kill and conquer and enslave. Saying they are the same is being willfully ignorant or (what I believe this whole topic is) trolling.

[Xanikk999]

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No it's not willfully ignorant and it was not just a century ago. What do you think they asked us to do in the copperbell mines? We were asked to wipe them all out damn their feelings. Uldah did not even want to negotiate or make amends and neither did they try. Also you are being hypocritical by calling me willfully ignorant while ignoring the second part of my argument. Uldah still has uncaring money grubbing people in control. The main storyline has shown the lengths they are willing to go to to further their coin. Just look at the plot that got teleje adeleje killed and lolorito taking advantage of it. These two people are hardly unique among ulduans either the whole culture cares about money and the people that don't are the non-merchants and underclass which has no power.

[Yeldir]

The debate around this is so energetic that it makes me pine for factional PVP. People would really get into their roles.

[VargasVermillion]

The debate around this is so energetic that it makes me pine for factional PVP. People would really get into their roles.

lol Imagine the banter that would take place, Would be fun tbh.

[Xanikk999]

The garleans methods aren't even that much different then some of the city states. Look at uldah for example, they enslaved the gigas and kept them in mines their entire lives. When they rightfully rebelled the collapsed the mines ontop of them to get rid of them. It's not like things have ever changed either the people in charge of Uldah are just a different kind of evil. They only love money and will do anything to get it even neglect others to the point of death. The empress is the only one who thinks differently.

[Belhi]

The garleans methods aren't even that much different then some of the city states. Look at uldah for example, they enslaved the gigas and kept them in mines their entire lives. When they rightfully rebelled the collapsed the mines ontop of them to get rid of them. It's not like things have ever changed either the people in charge of Uldah are just a different kind of evil. They only love money and will do anything to get it even neglect others to the point of death. The empress is the only one who thinks differently.

You mean apart from at least a 3rd of the syndicate members, Raubahn and Godbert.

I think I said it earlier but the issue with the Garleans isn't that they are evil and the city states are good but what is happening right now. If the Garleans changed there methods we probably wouldn't be their enemies. However between their arrogance and hubris when it comes to messing with dangerous powers and their focus on conquest and genocide, their current policies are very wrong.

If Uldah was pulling the same shit today as they did in the past we probably wouldn't be so friendly with them. Infact the last beasttribe quest chain in 2.X has us siding with a alliance of the beasttribes against members from the city states. There is also the Ashcrown Consortium.

The city states also don't have a open policy of aggression and while they aren't without blame they aren't focused on genocide and are open to peace. You'll note that the Maelstrom officer that works with the 789th Kobolds doesn't get executed for treason when her superiors find out. Likewise, the end of the Sahagin Beasttribe quests show that Limsan officials are open to peace with the Sahagin.

Almost all the problems with the beasttribes come from the actions of the non beasttribe races and the majority of those are directly due to the actions of the Garleans. The Sylphs summon Ramuh due to Garlean incursions in their territories. Likewise the Ixali and the Amal'jaa summoned their primals as a result of feeling threatened. The Sahagin are only in open conflict with the Limsans because the Calamity, which the Garleans caused, destroyed their old spawning grounds.

The Primal problem and the hostile beasttribes a problem mostly caused by the Garleans in the first place. They are talking about solving a problem they themselves keep causing.