We should ally with the Garleans

[hagare]

Aye, but I don't think either of them are objectively /bad/ as people. They're just on the other side of the glass.

How the hell is genocide of an entire race as a purpose not objectively bad?
They don't want to right the world.
They want to kill off whole races based on the assumption that they will be dangerous to them.

That would be the equivalent of killing of the children of a criminal thinking they might go bad like their parents

[Eidolon]

How the hell is genocide of an entire race as a purpose not objectively bad?
They don't want to right the world.
They want to kill off whole races based on the assumption that they will be dangerous to them.

That would be the equivalent of killing of the children of a criminal thinking they might go bad like their parents

Their methods are extreme, but I do not think that Limsa or Ul'dah would hesitate to do the same.

Matter of fact, Limsa - as stated - is fighting a war because of the fact that they constantly encroach on beastmen homelands. The commander even makes it clear she has no remorse for this, b ecause she is looking out for Numero Uno - Limsa.

Ul'dah would kill you with time and politics. Or a syndicate assination. And I doubt they have any remorse about killing Amalja.

As stated. Neither side is a true evil. Because both are evil. I'd rather have the choice to choose my poison than be shoehorned as a hero for one side that I think is equally disgusting.

[hagare]

Their methods are extreme, but I do not think that Limsa or Ul'dah would hesitate to do the same.

Matter of fact, Limsa - as stated - is fighting a war because of the fact that they constantly encroach on beastmen homelands. The commander even makes it clear she has no remorse for this, b ecause she is looking out for Numero Uno - Limsa.

Ul'dah would kill you with time and politics. Or a syndicate assination. And I doubt they have any remorse about killing Amalja.

As stated. Neither side is a true evil. Because both are evil. I'd rather have the choice to choose my poison than be shoehorned as a hero for one side that I think is equally disgusting.

Ok I'm done

[Velhart]

Both the Eorzea Alliance and Garlemald Empire share the same issue of keeping the world safe from primals. Garlemald believes that they should be fought by everyone being unified and all ruled under one leader. While the Eorzea Alliance believes in joining different minds together and goes about a way that benefits everyone, not just themselves (ideally at least). Basically, Garlemald's methods are the most efficient and would be a better system of keeping things in check, but you are basically tossing your freedom away in the process, which is worse in the long run.

These two side's ideals are just too different for them to fully cooperate. The only way I can see us joining them is if by us or someone else conquers them and takes over their government, forcing them into submission. How the game sets them up however, there is always -someone- from there going to cause trouble and will likely always be each expansion pack, rather if they are the main focus or not. I think the large scale attempt to take over Eorzea from 2.0 will likely not be a thing for a good while. I see Garlemald right now as the group that will make the situation worse in another situation that is going on like in the Heavensward story.

Maybe we will get more defectors like Cid and get more of their technology like the magitek armor, but I don't see us ever allying with them.

[AltanRapsied]

All we need is some magical girl power to purify the garlean empire !
OR MAGICAL BOOOOYS

/10char/char

[Gaiussenpai]

Gaius is our martyr and saviour

[BubblyBoar]

People seem to think that the Empire's main goal is stopping primals first and taking over second. I'm confused on how that got turned around. Their goal, first and foremost, is to take over and conquer. They are imperialist. Even if Eorzea had no primals, that'd be fighting just as hard. As a matter of fact, when they first invaded (after taking Ala Mhigo) and Middy crashed their prize into the lake, the seal that held back the primals were broken.

You know that that means? The primals were not a present issue until the Empire came and screwed up. So they come back 5 years later and start spreading their propaganda (just like with Ala Mhigo) About how they are on a righteous mission to kill all the primals and some players actually fall for it. They even took the time to outright attack and murder the only group doing the exact same thing. Long before there was any conflicts between them. Sounds like they want to make Eorzea's only hope of stopping Primals (which again, they unsealed) the Empire.

The debate around this is so energetic that it makes me pine for factional PVP. People would really get into their roles.

We have faction PvP, everyone hates it.

The garleans methods aren't even that much different then some of the city states. Look at uldah for example, they enslaved the gigas and kept them in mines their entire lives. When they rightfully rebelled the collapsed the mines ontop of them to get rid of them. It's not like things have ever changed either the people in charge of Uldah are just a different kind of evil. They only love money and will do anything to get it even neglect others to the point of death. The empress is the only one who thinks differently.

That was literally a century or so ago. Ul'dah is more or less more civilized and recognize that such a thing is wrong. Yes, the city state still has MANY problems, but enslavement is not one of them. Meanwhile, the Empire has been imperialist and have not learned from their ways. They continue to kill and conquer and enslave. Saying they are the same is being willfully ignorant or (what I believe this whole topic is) trolling.

[Yeldir]

The debate around this is so energetic that it makes me pine for factional PVP. People would really get into their roles.

[Xanikk999]

The garleans methods aren't even that much different then some of the city states. Look at uldah for example, they enslaved the gigas and kept them in mines their entire lives. When they rightfully rebelled the collapsed the mines ontop of them to get rid of them. It's not like things have ever changed either the people in charge of Uldah are just a different kind of evil. They only love money and will do anything to get it even neglect others to the point of death. The empress is the only one who thinks differently.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I can't believe this is still going. Must be one heck of an RP.