Why keep DF off of new content?

[RandomInternetguy]

mm

I think you are unaware that, when content is "current" they are very much unforgiving. 1 simple mistake = dead. 1 dead = wipe. Try to somehow get a group to do garuda ex or titan ex with minimum ilv. Then think about how contents (100 times harder maybe) like t9 or a3s a4s can be done in DF when they are "current" (Let's leave scob savage out, for god's sake)
A1s and A2s, yes you have a chance, however very slim.Because most able raider prefer to do it with their static because of weekly lockout.Your chance getting a 8 people who can clear this is less than 1% (guess number, dont take this seriously) Then there's another problem, it's different strats. For example 4 people can only do it with A strat, the rest with B. Then you process to spend 90 minutes to have everyone on the same pace. And bam, time out.

Tl;dr: just wait for 3.2 if you want to df.

[hagare]

*"current" they are very much unforgiving*
and your point is?
and PF is different than DF in this matter how?
does using PF guarantee awesome runs every time?
they won't affect those not using it. Statics won't be using it.
only other people who wants to use it will benefit from it.

*Because most able raider prefer to do it with their static*
which is the reason some people prefer DF. New blood! New people to practice with! People willing to do it! People with no static! Casual raiders!

*Because most able raider prefer to do it with their static*
so even if it's in DF, they won't be affected!

*different strats*
over time there WILL be a standardized strat.

*Then you process to spend 90 minutes to have everyone on the same pace. And bam, time out.*
It's called a practice run
PS: you can also find the so called practice run in PF, but in much lesser number.
and the role you want to play might not be open.

though I don't really mind if they put it in DF or not xD

[Ashkendor]

*different strats*
over time there WILL be a standardized strat.

Not entirely true. Even now, T9 has different divebomb strategies, A1 has different ways to handle the split, and A4 has different strategies with who picks up the orbs. If people aren't on the same page, it creates problems.

Honestly, if Savage was in the Duty Finder most of what you'd find would be trolls, lazy people looking for free carries or bored people looking to waste some time and maybe see past the first phase. I'd wager 99% of DF groups would never get past Faust to even see the actual boss. The DPS check is real. You wouldn't find your progression raiders in there helping out because they're in statics. Besides which, even if you did somehow end up with that miracle 7/8 group that cleared it for you, all you'd get out of it is the page. No chests, just 1/4 of an accessory.

If it was in DF, all we'd hear is bitching. "Why do my parties always wipe on Faust??" "This is too hard, nerf pls!" "OMG why is the item level requirement so high??" Ultimately, the reason it's not on DF is because SE doesn't want it there. Whether or not they put it there in the future remains to be seen, but I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.

[hagare]

Not entirely true. Even now, T9 has different divebomb strategies, A1 has different ways to handle the split, and A4 has different strategies with who picks up the orbs. If people aren't on the same page, it creates problems.

different T9 DB strat?
when I was practicing it in my data center, DF only ever used one strat for it.
Tank brings everyone to 1st DB, then when the mark comes, everyone else goes mid while the 2nd DB marked goes to the other position.
what's the other strat? * really curious* xD

oh and what are those A1S strats?
I might need it for practice later

Honestly, if Savage was in the Duty Finder most of what you'd find would be trolls, lazy people looking for free carries or bored people looking to waste some time and maybe see past the first phase. I'd wager 99% of DF groups would never get past Faust to even see the actual boss. The DPS check is real. You wouldn't find your progression raiders in there helping out because they're in statics. Besides which, even if you did somehow end up with that miracle 7/8 group that cleared it for you, all you'd get out of it is the page. No chests, just 1/4 of an accessory.

different data center, different community I guess.
I rarely see trolls in my DF. and I mean RARELY as in almost never.
And my main reason to do it would be to practice. I get more practice in DF than PF.
and if it goes in DF, I'm sure the lock out would be like alex normal now. *maybe*

If it was in DF, all we'd hear is bitching. "Why do my parties always wipe on Faust??" "This is too hard, nerf pls!" "OMG why is the item level requirement so high??" Ultimately, the reason it's not on DF is because SE doesn't want it there. Whether or not they put it there in the future remains to be seen, but I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.

I just ignore those people.

[Ashkendor]

different T9 DB strat?
when I was practicing it in my data center, DF only ever used one strat for it.
Tank brings everyone to 1st DB, then when the mark comes, everyone else goes mid while the 2nd DB marked goes to the other position.
what's the other strat? * really curious* xD

different data center, different community I guess.

oh and what are those A1S strats?
I might need it for practice later

My static learned a method for divebombs where you leave the waymarks in place and just call out where to run based on how many dragons are showing in the northwest side of the arena. It caused a hell of a lot of problems when we'd PF and the pugs either didn't understand or weren't even willing to listen. I dunno about any differences in strategies with A1S - I've only ever run it with my static. I was talking about A1 normal. Some people prefer to have the OT provoke the add but honestly, it doesn't work very well.

and if it goes in DF, I'm sure the lock out would be like alex normal now. *maybe*

Unfortunately, it's far too early in the life of the content to unlock it that way.

[hagare]

My static learned a method for divebombs where you leave the waymarks in place and just call out where to run based on how many dragons are showing in the northwest side of the arena. It caused a hell of a lot of problems when we'd PF and the pugs either didn't understand or weren't even willing to listen. I dunno about any differences in strategies with A1S - I've only ever run it with my static. I was talking about A1 normal. Some people prefer to have the OT provoke the add but honestly, it doesn't work very well.

how are people still having problem with A1N?
eh, DPS can deal with adds faster there.
everyone in my FC solo DF Alex normal every week.
usually done in a day depending on your luck with loot xD

I've only ever run it with my static
you should DF more lols :P

Unfortunately, it's far too early in the life of the content to unlock it that way.

yup. I guess one of the reasons SE won't put it in DF this fast is content longevity.
oh well. I'll be patiently waiting for the time when I'll be smashing my head to the wall due to DF practices

Ultimately, the reason it's not on DF is because SE doesn't want it there.

truer words have never been spoken. Sigh....

[KarstenS]

Say that to my T5, T9 and T13 clear

You should take a look to the state of the content at this time.

Solo DFin got introduced:

• more that 6 month after the release of that content
• everybody already had heavily outgeared most of the checks
• with solo DF together the nerfs got added
• Echo got added too

Coil was ways easier with all that points when it got possible to solo DF for it. Its not compareable to the current state of Alex Savage.

At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.

We did T5 with 3 man some weeks ago. Have heard its possible to 2 man it.

[Arashmin]

A1s and A2s, yes you have a chance, however very slim.Because most able raider prefer to do it with their static because of weekly lockout.Your chance getting a 8 people who can clear this is less than 1% (guess number, dont take this seriously) Then there's another problem, it's different strats. For example 4 people can only do it with A strat, the rest with B. Then you process to spend 90 minutes to have everyone on the same pace. And bam, time out.

You're trying to make these sound like bad things, but I see them as opportunities and challenges to overcome. Considering I'm paying for a sub I'd much rather be throwing myself against a wall than just burning my sub biding for whatever is next.

[Ashkendor]

how are people still having problem with A1N?
eh, DPS can deal with adds faster there.
everyone in my FC solo DF Alex normal every week.
usually done in a day depending on your luck with loot xD

You can still wipe easily in A1 normal if people aren't on the same page with things like who has the adds, how the split is being handled, etc. As easy as it is, if you don't follow mechanics it'll still bite you in the ass.

I've only ever run it with my static
you should DF more lols :P

And you should read my post again. I said I've only ever done A1S with my static.

S = Savage.

[DarkB]

There is absolutely no reason why content shouldnt be on DF, this is the most restricting and stupid thing this game has. And frankly its not remotely defendable.