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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomInternetguy View Post
    Because you did it when the content is already old and got echo'ed ?
    When things got put in duty finder, people already did it for like 6 months or more and required an obscene high ilv to enter(i123 for t13? lol) At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.
    Some people got carried by gear and/or jps and think they are good lol.
    Of course I got carried
    Never said I was good.

    The point I was making is that it is very much possible to do hard content like coil in DF. Unlike what all the naysayers before were saying.

    I'm just a filthy casual raider. No static, just PUGs if I can find the time or feel like it.
    That's why I like practicing in DF, less hassle more pew pew.

    I don't know if clearing them the moment they're out in DF can be called old though?
    carried by obscene high gear? you mean the ilvl the raid was actually tuned for?

    I'm so sorry I wasn't a progression raider. I think the only ones I cleared before echo was put in is T6,7,8, 10 and 11, and 12.
    are you done?

    PS: *At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.* You seem to think that everyone is a hardcore progression world first chaser.
    news flash: most people are like me, filthy filthy casual raider

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post
    I'm one of those people that like to use DF.

    While I cringe at the fact that current end-game content (Alex Savage, as of now) is stroked out from DF, I still rejoice more.

    Because, let's face it, even if there are few good people with incomplete party using DF to do stuffs, there are bigger chances that you'll likely meet the baddies.
    Unless your data center is filled with pr0s (Which is unlikely).

    Yes, currently, I am fine with Alex Savage not being a choice in DF.
    of course you'll find baddies at first. you'l probably meet me there
    when they allow *IF* they allow people to solo queue for a raid, people who haven't even bothered doing it will give it a try as well.
    There will be lots of newbies trying their hands on it.
    Still won't stop me from practicing my role in it though.
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    Last edited by hagare; 08-31-2015 at 05:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    mm
    I think you are unaware that, when content is "current" they are very much unforgiving. 1 simple mistake = dead. 1 dead = wipe. Try to somehow get a group to do garuda ex or titan ex with minimum ilv. Then think about how contents (100 times harder maybe) like t9 or a3s a4s can be done in DF when they are "current" (Let's leave scob savage out, for god's sake)
    A1s and A2s, yes you have a chance, however very slim.Because most able raider prefer to do it with their static because of weekly lockout.Your chance getting a 8 people who can clear this is less than 1% (guess number, dont take this seriously) Then there's another problem, it's different strats. For example 4 people can only do it with A strat, the rest with B. Then you process to spend 90 minutes to have everyone on the same pace. And bam, time out.

    Tl;dr: just wait for 3.2 if you want to df.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    Say that to my T5, T9 and T13 clear
    You should take a look to the state of the content at this time.

    Solo DFin got introduced:
    • more that 6 month after the release of that content
    • everybody already had heavily outgeared most of the checks
    • with solo DF together the nerfs got added
    • Echo got added too

    Coil was ways easier with all that points when it got possible to solo DF for it. Its not compareable to the current state of Alex Savage.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandomInternetguy View Post
    At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.
    We did T5 with 3 man some weeks ago. Have heard its possible to 2 man it.
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    I look at Duty Finder content as the ability to practice things without having to put up with the intolerable people in party finder on my server.
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    Because they dont want a mass insurgent of disgusting gutter trash rats intruding their way into content and happily poison themselves on the putrid blight called pugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    that only happens when the leader lies to the others that it will be a clearing group. real learning group will get wipe after wipe for an hour to actually learn the fight.
    Nah usually a player who joined always says the usual
    " i gtg fc needs me " or " i gtg house on fire ".
    I made a lot of pfs for fights and i clearly stated do not join if you r only going to attempt 1 or 2 runs. So yea df is way better in most cases. PF filled with too many ppl wanting to get carried. I see a lot of this when i help ppl in bis ex/ rav ex clear parties.
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    I'm one of those people that like to use DF.

    While I cringe at the fact that current end-game content (Alex Savage, as of now) is stroked out from DF, I still rejoice more.

    Because, let's face it, even if there are few good people with incomplete party using DF to do stuffs, there are bigger chances that you'll likely meet the baddies.
    Unless your data center is filled with pr0s (Which is unlikely).

    Yes, currently, I am fine with Alex Savage not being a choice in DF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Not entirely true. Even now, T9 has different divebomb strategies, A1 has different ways to handle the split, and A4 has different strategies with who picks up the orbs. If people aren't on the same page, it creates problems.
    different T9 DB strat?
    when I was practicing it in my data center, DF only ever used one strat for it.
    Tank brings everyone to 1st DB, then when the mark comes, everyone else goes mid while the 2nd DB marked goes to the other position.
    what's the other strat? * really curious* xD

    oh and what are those A1S strats?
    I might need it for practice later


    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Honestly, if Savage was in the Duty Finder most of what you'd find would be trolls, lazy people looking for free carries or bored people looking to waste some time and maybe see past the first phase. I'd wager 99% of DF groups would never get past Faust to even see the actual boss. The DPS check is real. You wouldn't find your progression raiders in there helping out because they're in statics. Besides which, even if you did somehow end up with that miracle 7/8 group that cleared it for you, all you'd get out of it is the page. No chests, just 1/4 of an accessory.
    different data center, different community I guess.
    I rarely see trolls in my DF. and I mean RARELY as in almost never.
    And my main reason to do it would be to practice. I get more practice in DF than PF.
    and if it goes in DF, I'm sure the lock out would be like alex normal now. *maybe*

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    If it was in DF, all we'd hear is bitching. "Why do my parties always wipe on Faust??" "This is too hard, nerf pls!" "OMG why is the item level requirement so high??" Ultimately, the reason it's not on DF is because SE doesn't want it there. Whether or not they put it there in the future remains to be seen, but I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.
    I just ignore those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    different T9 DB strat?
    when I was practicing it in my data center, DF only ever used one strat for it.
    Tank brings everyone to 1st DB, then when the mark comes, everyone else goes mid while the 2nd DB marked goes to the other position.
    what's the other strat? * really curious* xD

    different data center, different community I guess.

    oh and what are those A1S strats?
    I might need it for practice later
    My static learned a method for divebombs where you leave the waymarks in place and just call out where to run based on how many dragons are showing in the northwest side of the arena. It caused a hell of a lot of problems when we'd PF and the pugs either didn't understand or weren't even willing to listen. I dunno about any differences in strategies with A1S - I've only ever run it with my static. I was talking about A1 normal. Some people prefer to have the OT provoke the add but honestly, it doesn't work very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    and if it goes in DF, I'm sure the lock out would be like alex normal now. *maybe*
    Unfortunately, it's far too early in the life of the content to unlock it that way.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 08-31-2015 at 05:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    My static learned a method for divebombs where you leave the waymarks in place and just call out where to run based on how many dragons are showing in the northwest side of the arena. It caused a hell of a lot of problems when we'd PF and the pugs either didn't understand or weren't even willing to listen. I dunno about any differences in strategies with A1S - I've only ever run it with my static. I was talking about A1 normal. Some people prefer to have the OT provoke the add but honestly, it doesn't work very well.
    how are people still having problem with A1N?
    eh, DPS can deal with adds faster there.
    everyone in my FC solo DF Alex normal every week.
    usually done in a day depending on your luck with loot xD

    I've only ever run it with my static
    you should DF more lols :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Unfortunately, it's far too early in the life of the content to unlock it that way.
    yup. I guess one of the reasons SE won't put it in DF this fast is content longevity.
    oh well. I'll be patiently waiting for the time when I'll be smashing my head to the wall due to DF practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Ultimately, the reason it's not on DF is because SE doesn't want it there.
    truer words have never been spoken. Sigh....
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    Last edited by hagare; 08-31-2015 at 06:01 PM.

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