Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[AlexNiculaie]

People like you will never understand because you don't see the consequences of your actions, your not looking at the long term, you don't want too. You want everything now.

You really are trying to claim that putting players in time out (which, let's be honest, that is all airship travel was in FFXI) added challenges and rewards to a game? Did Outpost Warps ruin XI? Return Rings? Warp Scrolls? Oh, but first you had to run to the outposts to get them, you say. Yeah. A whole whopping hour of travel in game, and then 8 YEARS of instant travel. OOOoooooooo, challenges!

Look, I could agree with you if they were handing out xp scrolls, or having HQ armor/weapons dropping like skittles from the sky. I could even agree with you if they were allowing us to just throw gil at bosses to beat them instead of forcing us to use strategy in fighting and mp balance. And when they actually start handing stuff out without effort, I'll be there bitching too. But the simple fact is, forcing your players into time out doesn't add to the game, and skipping it isn't magically making the game easy. And hey, look at that! They are adding actual content to boat and airship rides, thus adding some purpose to them beyond admiring the vistas.

Seriously, I have never seen such a mountain made of anything in this game as what people are making of this.

[PrettyPrincess]

You do a lot of talking, but you still don't do a great job at convincing others that your argument is superior when you can't stop talking about XI. Why bring WoW into the mix as well? Who was pulling from WoW?

While I am supposedly cowering behind something that you apparently think I stand for, this is definitely news to me, you just keep bringing up points that further support that you are worried of XIV breaking away from that strong sense of nostalgia from your has been video game. I loved XI. I loved everything you brought up, but this isn't about XI and how it was developed to be a time sink that supposedly gave you senses of accomplishment and allowed you, yourself, to be immersed.

We're talking about XIV. A game that is still being redeveloped in 2011 that understands there is a different way to do things that accommodates different types of players and lets itself stretch a little in order to be user friendly. We're still trying to figure out why some people are blue in the face defending all player's immersion when it only affects them. How is this your business? It isn't. It's been stated several times throughout the thread. You are given a choice. Don't want to port? Walk. Don't want to skip the airship ride? Don't skip it and enjoy the ride and content with others, me being one of them, who enjoy it.

Immersion is personal. You or others speaking for what is good for the community needs to change to what is good for you and you alone.

/thumbs up

[Eekiki]

You do a lot of talking, but you still don't do a great job at convincing others that your argument is superior when you can't stop talking about XI. Why bring WoW into the mix as well? Who was pulling from WoW?

While I am supposedly cowering behind something that you apparently think I stand for, this is definitely news to me, you just keep bringing up points that further support that you are worried of XIV breaking away from that strong sense of nostalgia from your has been video game. I loved XI. I loved everything you brought up, but this isn't about XI and how it was developed to be a time sink that supposedly gave you senses of accomplishment and allowed you, yourself, to be immersed.

We're talking about XIV. A game that is still being redeveloped in 2011 that understands there is a different way to do things that accommodates different types of players and lets itself stretch a little in order to be user friendly. We're still trying to figure out why some people are blue in the face defending all player's immersion when it only affects them. How is this your business? It isn't. It's been stated several times throughout the thread. You are given a choice. Don't want to port? Walk. Don't want to skip the airship ride? Don't skip it and enjoy the ride and content with others, me being one of them, who enjoy it.

Immersion is personal. You or others speaking for what is good for the community needs to change to what is good for you and you alone.

Brucey wins the Golden Gath award of awesomeness for this post.

[AlphaDragoon]

You do a lot of talking, but you still don't do a great job at convincing others that your argument is superior when you can't stop talking about XI. Why bring WoW into the mix as well? Who was pulling from WoW?

While I am supposedly cowering behind something that you apparently think I stand for, this is definitely news to me, you just keep bringing up points that further support that you are worried of XIV breaking away from that strong sense of nostalgia from your has been video game. I loved XI. I loved everything you brought up, but this isn't about XI and how it was developed to be a time sink that supposedly gave you senses of accomplishment and allowed you, yourself, to be immersed.

We're talking about XIV. A game that is still being redeveloped in 2011 that understands there is a different way to do things that accommodates different types of players and lets itself stretch a little in order to be user friendly. We're still trying to figure out why some people are blue in the face defending all player's immersion when it only affects them. How is this your business? It isn't. It's been stated several times throughout the thread. You are given a choice. Don't want to port? Walk. Don't want to skip the airship ride? Don't skip it and enjoy the ride and content with others, me being one of them, who enjoy it.

Immersion is personal. You or others speaking for what is good for the community needs to change to what is good for you and you alone.

This. Brucey for president.

[Altano]

Shhhhhhh. *pats head*

Your immature condescension aside, aren't you making the exact same pronouncement that having the option for instant airships is a good thing?

[weeble]

being locked on a boat with some players is only way they think they can have convo's with there friends/boyfriends and groups. it is official i say this is the only reason left for wanting the boat to be long ride only. or maybe they like cyber with the ocean waves. i dunno. lol there is nothing left to consider.

[Altano]

being locked on a boat with some players is only way they think they can have convo's with there friends/boyfriends and groups. it is official i say this is the only reason left for wanting the boat to be long ride only. or maybe they like cyber with the ocean waves. i dunno. lol there is nothing left to consider.

There is also the simple argument that a boat ride lasting more than 30 seconds makes sense. Explain in what logical terms it makes sense to have to wait 15 minutes for a boat to show up so you can step on board the boat and immediately arrive at the destination, only to have the boat you boarded take 15 minutes to show up at the dock you just arrived at (being carried by that boat, no less). At that point, seriously, screw it, join LL and Thanalan with a zoneline. Same thing with the darn cities. This isn't about immersion; this is about laziness, impatience, and self-entitlement carried to ridiculous levels.

[weeble]

good point they should make boat rides that are chosen to be instant rides to be instant ports from the npc at the docks without waiting. only waiting for boat if u plan on going on it. the wait is like a red light, it gets people to load up together so it is only needed for that type. instant should = no wait at docks wait = boat ride too.

[Halvaard_Vidan]

Playability should not be sacrificed for Immersions sake.
This is why we can teleport, this is why we have auto attack, this is why LOW RANK crafting is getting simplified, Playability.

Immersion doesn't matter if the game isn't enjoyable or convenient enough to play with friends.

[Altano]

good point they should make boat rides that are chosen to be instant rides to be instant ports from the npc at the docks without waiting. only waiting for boat if u plan on going on it. the wait is like a red light, it gets people to load up together so it is only needed for that type. instant should = no wait at docks wait = boat ride too.

I'd be okay with that. I just think it's a joke to even bother adding airships if this is how they're going to treat it. They could save themselves development time and effort by just adding teleport NPCs.