Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[weeble]

well all of Fiosha_Maureiba's reasons for me are reasons to not have instant ports, i want instant, but not to the point that these things don't happen. i like the chances of death on way to places, i want to be chased by a gob all way to selbina entrance ..i like sneak and invis. though i only think our dol is getting those. but either way i want instant but i still hope pain and suffering is brought on to us all after we land after the instant port lol.

[PrettyPrincess]

This argument is totally based on the Social Judgement Theory. Yay I learned something in Instructional Design!

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

We just don't think it's a good idea for the game or the community.

You dont speak for the whole community

We don't claim to.

We just don't think it's a good idea for the game or the community.

Shhhhhhh. *pats head*

[PrettyPrincess]

LMAO Bruce

[Jynx]

First of all, this will never be achieved even if they tried. In cases like these one thing is always true: You were younger. 7 years ago you had a game that during that time made you feel good inside and now every game after that has to press up against that standard.

It's not going to be the same. So stop. It's a never ending spiral that won't stop til you accept that there is a change or another side to gaming now that developers need to conform and pay attention to.

and from what I see thankfully many others, actually consider the other side. I think that is something that is really being argued more than the threat of player's immersion. The shortsightedness.

I am not trying to cram FFXIV into FFXI's former flory (allow me to point out former) FFXI is a shell of itself as it has grown to accomidate the exact same crowd they are trying to accomidate for this game. I am far from one to see things with "Rose tinted glasses"

I know the exact reasons why I loved XI, and how they still remain the same. The beatifull vistas, amazing sights to be seen if you stray off the beaten path, earning my rewards. None of that Exists in XIV as it stands. Don't try and paint me as someone naive enough to think this is XI-2 because it's not, but that doesn't stop me from demanding them to at least have rewards and systems that are meaningfull and not just slapped in their because someone couldn't make it to grid on time to do whatever they wanted to do.

I've yet to hear the side of the story from the real casual player, all I hear is people telling me they ran out of their 100 anima and couldn't warp "The horror" Not many of my casual friends ever run out of anima let alone dip below double digits. If you can't complete everything you want within a play session start to think of ways to speed up your tasks or deal with the fact that you can only accomplish so much within a certain time frame. You all just want an easy way out to get the most our of your game, to do what? I'm not sure I don't know what the rush to 50 is all about there is nothing waiting for you.

I HAVE considered the other side of this, and I know it's sounded the death knell of many MMO's in it's time. Too many developers try to pander too the WoW crowd when even WoW never cattered to them at first, this is part of the problem people don't want to see.

It's easy to demand everything to be easier to do, it makes it so you can accomplish more in a shorter period of time. It's hard to keep content accessable, quick, easy while still offering a challenge and a reward. You know why?

Because someone will complain that it's too demanding, too time consuming, too hard. So then what do they do? They pander to the crowd and remove all the challenge from the game, that Haubergon +3 just doesn't feel as cool anymore when any Joe on the street has one. Being Rank 50 in multiple jobs isn't awesome anymore, it's the expected norm, being able to teleport to far off lands isn't something only you and a handfull of people brave and strong enough to earn the right to do isn't awe inspiring...because everyone can do it from the get-go.

People like you will never understand because you don't see the consequences of your actions, your not looking at the long term, you don't want too. You want everything now.
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Also I have never claimed to speak for the community, I only ever claim to speak for myself, I would expect you too do the same instead of cowering behind the fact that.

"Only ____ people post on this forum! Not everyone shares your views! hurp durp"

It's a two way street, their are many people who just plain don't care about the direction of the game or don't want to speak up. Let those people rot in silence I say...as the saying goes "Don't vote...don't complain about the results"

As far as support for either side of this arguement goes on the forums we seem rather even keel on who wants and who doesn't want the changes. Grow up and learn that because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean they are wrong. I respect your opinions but I dissagree with them, I don't resort to personal insults to get my point across.

I will not stop giving the developers my opinion as long as they keep asking for it, I hope you do the same.

[Kiote]

Dude what high level endgame content was on a freaking airship ride betwen the cities?

You do understand all this is doing is getting from one city to another faster right? thats it. nothin esle. thats all.......

ALso we voted for stuff to be instance and in FF11 most stuff was instanced so not much change there.

What is wrong with you? The entire story of this game is based off the immense power of the Garlean Airships. They can not logically proceed with the game without Airship content.

[Eekiki]

What is wrong with you? The entire story of this game is based off the immense power of the Garlean Airships. They can not logically proceed with the game without Airship content.

Indeed. Remember the opening CG movie?

But that's Tanaka-era XIV, circa 2010.

[DNO]

What is wrong with you? The entire story of this game is based off the immense power of the Garlean Airships. They can not logically proceed with the game without Airship content.

Yet its been a year and they have done just that.

Anyway your getting off topic.

Travel time does nothing to immserion to most people. But again if you want a long airship ride you will have the OPTION of doing that. Don't take away my option of skipping it.

[DNO]

Shhhhhhh. *pats head*

i lol'ed. very funny

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I am not trying to cram FFXIV into FFXI's former flory (allow me to point out former) FFXI is a shell of itself as it has grown to accomidate the exact same crowd they are trying to accomidate for this game. I am far from one to see things with "Rose tinted glasses"

I know the exact reasons why I loved XI, and how they still remain the same. The beatifull vistas, amazing sights to be seen if you stray off the beaten path, earning my rewards. None of that Exists in XIV as it stands. Don't try and paint me as someone naive enough to think this is XI-2 because it's not, but that doesn't stop me from demanding them to at least have rewards and systems that are meaningfull and not just slapped in their because someone couldn't make it to grid on time to do whatever they wanted to do.

I've yet to hear the side of the story from the real casual player, all I hear is people telling me they ran out of their 100 anima and couldn't warp "The horror" Not many of my casual friends ever run out of anima let alone dip below double digits. If you can't complete everything you want within a play session start to think of ways to speed up your tasks or deal with the fact that you can only accomplish so much within a certain time frame. You all just want an easy way out to get the most our of your game, to do what? I'm not sure I don't know what the rush to 50 is all about there is nothing waiting for you.

I HAVE considered the other side of this, and I know it's sounded the death knell of many MMO's in it's time. Too many developers try to pander too the WoW crowd when even WoW never cattered to them at first, this is part of the problem people don't want to see.

It's easy to demand everything to be easier to do, it makes it so you can accomplish more in a shorter period of time. It's hard to keep content accessable, quick, easy while still offering a challenge and a reward. You know why?

Because someone will complain that it's too demanding, too time consuming, too hard. So then what do they do? They pander to the crowd and remove all the challenge from the game, that Haubergon +3 just doesn't feel as cool anymore when any Joe on the street has one. Being Rank 50 in multiple jobs isn't awesome anymore, it's the expected norm, being able to teleport to far off lands isn't something only you and a handfull of people brave and strong enough to earn the right to do isn't awe inspiring...because everyone can do it from the get-go.

People like you will never understand because you don't see the consequences of your actions, your not looking at the long term, you don't want too. You want everything now.
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Also I have never claimed to speak for the community, I only ever claim to speak for myself, I would expect you too do the same instead of cowering behind the fact that.

"Only ____ people post on this forum! Not everyone shares your views! hurp durp"

It's a two way street, their are many people who just plain don't care about the direction of the game or don't want to speak up. Let those people rot in silence I say...as the saying goes "Don't vote...don't complain about the results"

As far as support for either side of this arguement goes on the forums we seem rather even keel on who wants and who doesn't want the changes. Grow up and learn that because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean they are wrong. I respect your opinions but I dissagree with them, I don't resort to personal insults to get my point across.

I will not stop giving the developers my opinion as long as they keep asking for it, I hope you do the same.

You do a lot of talking, but you still don't do a great job at convincing others that your argument is superior when you can't stop talking about XI. Why bring WoW into the mix as well? Who was pulling from WoW?

While I am supposedly cowering behind something that you apparently think I stand for, this is definitely news to me, you just keep bringing up points that further support that you are worried of XIV breaking away from that strong sense of nostalgia from your has been video game. I loved XI. I loved everything you brought up, but this isn't about XI and how it was developed to be a time sink that supposedly gave you senses of accomplishment and allowed you, yourself, to be immersed.

We're talking about XIV. A game that is still being redeveloped in 2011 that understands there is a different way to do things that accommodates different types of players and lets itself stretch a little in order to be user friendly. We're still trying to figure out why some people are blue in the face defending all player's immersion when it only affects them. How is this your business? It isn't. It's been stated several times throughout the thread. You are given a choice. Don't want to port? Walk. Don't want to skip the airship ride? Don't skip it and enjoy the ride and content with others, me being one of them, who enjoy it.

Immersion is personal. You or others speaking for what is good for the community needs to change to what is good for you and you alone.