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  1. #211
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mog77 View Post
    Even in a fight where you draw nothing but spear, you will keep up in heals and everyone will have fast cooldowns
    Which still makes you objectively worse than a sch in the buffing department, purely because they have consistency.
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  2. #212
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    Remilia_Nightfall's Avatar
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    Reimu Hakurei
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    Phoenix
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    Which still makes you objectively worse than a sch in the buffing department, purely because they have consistency.
    However, most of the best SCH tools are mutually exclusive. Like cards. But even our so envied burst healing CDs use Aetherflow which is another resource entirely. Fairies are also mutually exclusive. Apart from cards (and sects, but that is obvious), Ast and Whm have access to their arsenal all the time until MP last.
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  3. #213
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    Lastelli's Avatar
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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RoseM View Post
    No CU is arguably better. You have to stay in Asylum/Sacred soil all the time, whereas you only need to step into CU once and you get the buff.
    It is not. It's different. I A1S, a WHM has a few options on how to use Asylum. I just throw it on a tank + regens + possibly medica ii ticks for a lot of hot. I basically use it on cd since it's always useful. CU is much more situational. In A1S the only efficient way to use it is after the jumps to mitigate the damage and leave a hot on your party and that's it. Using it in other circumstances is a waste of time, so you'll use it 3 times during that encounter. I use Asylum 7-8 times in A1S. In A2S Asylum is probably better since you have to move a lot and there's no big aoe to mitigate. They have different uses. The fact that you can't throw the bubble is an important point that must be somehow balanced with a better effect when you CAN use it. Anyway, I believe that CU will be very powerful in A3S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    Ast and Whm have access to their arsenal all the time until MP last.
    Which is some major issue, not sure why you write at the end like it's not so important. Everything is mutually exclusive if you have to care about your MP...because MP is a scarce resource, you know, just like AF stacks. SCHs have a lot of skills oGCD with no MP cost, plus a different resource that allows them to use 3 very powerful skills every 60 seconds. As a consequence, SCHs have no MP issues, allowing them to use their spells more freely. It's a well thought system and it's very well balanced right now. Anyway SCH skills are not random. Think about your fairy skills being replaced by one single skill that triggers fey covenant...or illumination, or wind, caress, randomly, then you get the idea.
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    Last edited by Lastelli; 08-26-2015 at 12:54 AM.

  4. #214
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    Publius85's Avatar
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    Publius Kami
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Only two gripes were no notated change to Shuffle not giving you the same card twice (though, maybe they ninja changed it, and we just don't know yet - has to be tested?) and no added heal to Celestial. But, still very happy with all of the changes made.
    You can still draw the same card twice in a row.
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  5. #215
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    Ayer2015's Avatar
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    Ayer Austen
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    If you draw Spear use it on yourself or a class with a rotation including frequently used CD skills (ei SMN) Better yet, use voice chat and see the card shine
    Spire isn’t useless in a raid… in light parties sure, but you don’t even need cards in light party content.

    All cards have legitimate use, which translates into party benefit……People on here complain way too much while only focusing on the basic tactics.
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  6. #216
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    However, most of the best SCH tools are mutually exclusive. Like cards. But even our so envied burst healing CDs use Aetherflow which is another resource entirely. Fairies are also mutually exclusive.
    You're missing the point. Having what you need when you need it > leaving it up to chance. Plus, they aren't "mutually exclusive", they just share a resource. Like mana. Just because I use SS doesn't mean I can't still use indom and/or lustrate immediately after. You just can't go apeshit with using them. Plus, you can use Fey Wind with SS, which is virtually like forcing an AE balance/arrow draw and a bole draw every 60 and 30 sec (respectively) together. Something not even possible on ast.

    Apart from cards (and sects, but that is obvious), Ast and Whm have access to their arsenal all the time until MP last.
    And I don't get what point you're trying to make here. Aetherflow can equate to cards and fairies to sects in this statement. Except that you have total control over everything on sch and can even swap fairies during a fight should you need to.
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  7. #217
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    DCILuther's Avatar
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    Elizabeth Trueblood
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Benefic has same Potency as Cure but costs less than Cure (MP Wise). I thought they wouldn't buff Benefic (and others) to the same potency as Cure/Physick. I feel like WHM might be pushed out soon.
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  8. #218
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    Slib's Avatar
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    Character
    Odin Haro
    World
    Goblin
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    Summoner Lv 63
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo View Post
    Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
    So, I think we're still good. :V
    Except Astro now has a stronger non crit Adlo, disable that stacks with virus, Collective Uncon. that can be used as a regen + damage reduction. A stance that gives +5% spell speed or +5% healing magic potency...

    I dont know, seems like overkill to me
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  9. #219
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    SerosJourney's Avatar
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    Sero Blu
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    Shiva
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by DCILuther View Post
    Benefic has same Potency as Cure but costs less than Cure (MP Wise). I thought they wouldn't buff Benefic (and others) to the same potency as Cure/Physick. I feel like WHM might be pushed out soon.
    So then......if the other healers feel attacked by the buffs of AST...just change into AST! And look if it was worth it! I'm curious about your opinion then!

    It just sounds like you think that you can go easily through all with the AST....
    all I read in here is nothing but Jealousy!!!!!!
    You don't know nothing about this Job and just feel attacked in your being!
    That's all!

    I still think that Whitemage is a great Job...and so is Scholar!!!!!

    Astro just catches up now!!!!
    and for a new healerclass.....this is what it's meant to do!!!!

    As the AST came out, I decited to change into it! No matter if it's UP or not! and it was!!!!
    now the AST finally cought up to the others!!! And most of the Scholars and Whitemages have nothing to do than "mimimi" about that!

    Get over it and feel happy that there is one more healer that can support you!!!!!
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  10. #220
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    RoseM's Avatar
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    Rose Mary
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    CU is arguably better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    It is not. In A1S the only efficient way to use it is.... In A2S Asylum is probably better since .... Anyway, I believe that CU will be very powerful in A3S.
    So.. not good in A1, good in A2, very good in A3.. I thought this was the definition of arguably better ?
    Are you saying no just because you enjoy saying it? lol
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    Last edited by RoseM; 08-26-2015 at 01:16 AM.

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