What does everyone think about those AST buffs?

[Kumori_Kumo]

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.

Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
So, I think we're still good. :V

[ckc22]

Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
So, I think we're still good. :V

Other people have e4e and virus. Fairy is nerfed.

[Slib]

Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
So, I think we're still good. :V

Except Astro now has a stronger non crit Adlo, disable that stacks with virus, Collective Uncon. that can be used as a regen + damage reduction. A stance that gives +5% spell speed or +5% healing magic potency...

I dont know, seems like overkill to me

[Eudyptes]

Except Astro now has a stronger non crit Adlo

No it's not, where are you getting that from? It's an instant cast, which is nice, but it's certainly not stronger.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

As I mentioned, Dissipation has some strategic use if you are going to change fairies anyway, so the cost to re-summon with 3 fresh Aetherflow stacks, really? That is just nitpicking, and it doesn't jive with the statement that it costs more MP to use. The potency boost is mainly to be used with one of the tactical cooldowns and/or Adlo, if you aren't you aren't using the skill to it's full potential. 30 seconds. That is valuable MP gain for a DPS push.

What tactic cooldowns? Dissi buff does not influence Indomitability or Lustrate. Do you mean Emergency Tactics - so a situational setup for a situational cd? Lol ok.

No it's not, where are you getting that from? It's an instant cast, which is nice, but it's certainly not stronger.

Yes it is. Raw potency including shield is higher and costs like 40% less MP.

[Slib]

No it's not, where are you getting that from? It's an instant cast, which is nice, but it's certainly not stronger.

Was on my char this morning. Aspected Benefic did an average of 2k healing (2600 shield)
Scholars adlo does 2100 (2100 shield).

I counted non crit. Obviously crit is better, but crit should not be relied upon.

Adlo costs a LOT more mp too compared to aspected benefic.

Both jobs have same gear.

EDIT: I do have 35 points into int for my Arcanist. Forgot to note that. But it is still stronger x.x

[NorthernLadMSP]

The changes are awesome! I logged on and ran my expert roulette. I love every single change they made. Finally, a reason to use Noc stance again. Collective Unconscious is now useful, as it gives you both the shield and regen while activated, and a 15 second regen after it dissipates. Disable fixed. Better potency heals. Longer durations for the three best cards. Extended card gives you a full minute of Balance or Arrow. And that Synastry! Sick, reduced cooldown and gives us the healing boost we were lacking.

Only two gripes were no notated change to Shuffle not giving you the same card twice (though, maybe they ninja changed it, and we just don't know yet - has to be tested?) and no added heal to Celestial. But, still very happy with all of the changes made.

[ckc22]

Care to explain in detail how all of what you're saying is true? Or is it all 90% and probablies? Seems people want one thing to always be better and never equal, after all.

Well astro doesn't have a Fairy. Doesn't have lustrates, indomitability or better MP regen.
I think it's a fair trade, slightly better potency for worse emergency tools.

Few things, Noc Ast and SCH will never be in the same part, Aldos still crits for 200%, our "sacred soil" requires us to not cast and not move, and as a buff class why shouldnt our buffs outweight your fairy?

With good rng they can outweight selene but absolutely not sch personal dps, and scholar has still more mitigation tools with a better mana management. Adlo cost more mp than aspected, but scholar can also count on a lot more mp. Also, they miss the fairy. Astro's probably better at single target healing thanks to sinastry and is a bit more free on aoe healing, but scholar is still king in mitigation, emergency heals and dps.

To all:

Aspect bene is 263 potency with a 130% guaranteed shield, meaning the only way a scholar can put up a stronger shield (the hallmark of their job) is to get a crit - and with current gear that gives a 10-15% chance.

The fairy is not a strong argument in scholars favor since SE has silent nerfed them. In addition in terms of emergencies your aspected bene is instant cast - this lets you throw an ehp potency of 605 on anyone at any time without even popping a CD (aka more than lustrate). Scholar may have slightly better emergency aoe healing with indomitability – but your aoe healing is better overall.

As for DawnSolarias argument thank you for falling right into my point. Your buffs should outweigh our fairies – but by the same token, as a shield class, why shouldn’t our shields outweigh your shields?

What are all these more/better scholar mitigation tools your talking about Soyre? I’m just not seeing them. Astrologian has better shields 85-90% of the time, a better version of sacred soil, an unshared mitigation tool (and better because potency >stats) in disable.

I'm perfectly happy that Astro got buffed - I think it was needed. But this kind of stuff is the reason three is a crowd.

[NorthernLadMSP]

OMG, seriously do NOT start complaining that your precious SCH needs a buff. SCH still has amazing tools at it's disposal and does NOT need buffs of any kind. You still have better MP management, the free fairy heals, way more emergency heals and the extra DPS the SCH itself can add.

[ckc22]

OMG, seriously do NOT start complaining that your precious SCH needs a buff. SCH still has amazing tools at it's disposal and does NOT need buffs of any kind. You still have better MP management, the free fairy heals, way more emergency heals and the extra DPS the SCH itself can add.

Better mp management and dps - agreed. I'm not that excited about my nerfed fairy heals. Again, astro has instant adlo that is better than lustrate and the only difference is its on the gcd - but it doesn't require any special resources.

E4E and Virus still very much beat Disable(10% for 6 second on single vs 10% for 20 seconds on multiple). Aspec Benefic is still on global so instant means very little. As for the current low crit, it might be a start of expansion deal. As gear progression SCH will get more crit thus making Aldos more powerful. CU is not a better version of Scared Soil. You can cast SS and continue to mitigate damage, while an AST has to maintain CU.

This is an oversimplification. Disable affects potency which is far more important than stat % like virus. In addition e4e/virus are shared by multiple classes and summoner even has the same advantages in cd/int traits. Disable is unshared with anyone. The global makes very little difference - you're rarely if ever spamming lustrate on someone multiple times in a row. CU has no cost compared to ss requiring aetherflow, adn now has an added regen.

As for gear progression - perhaps, but SE has gone out of their way to give Scholars the least crit of any of the healers on their esoterics gear and also doesn't do anything about right now.