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    Kumori_Kumo's Avatar
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    Kumori Kumo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckc22 View Post
    The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.
    Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
    So, I think we're still good. :V
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    Tetsu Taru
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo View Post
    Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
    So, I think we're still good. :V
    Other people have e4e and virus. Fairy is nerfed.
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    Odin Haro
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    Goblin
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    Summoner Lv 63
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo View Post
    Except they don't have Virus, or E4E, or Aetherflow, or a fairy.
    So, I think we're still good. :V
    Except Astro now has a stronger non crit Adlo, disable that stacks with virus, Collective Uncon. that can be used as a regen + damage reduction. A stance that gives +5% spell speed or +5% healing magic potency...

    I dont know, seems like overkill to me
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slib View Post
    Except Astro now has a stronger non crit Adlo
    No it's not, where are you getting that from? It's an instant cast, which is nice, but it's certainly not stronger.
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    Reimu Hakurei
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    As I mentioned, Dissipation has some strategic use if you are going to change fairies anyway, so the cost to re-summon with 3 fresh Aetherflow stacks, really? That is just nitpicking, and it doesn't jive with the statement that it costs more MP to use. The potency boost is mainly to be used with one of the tactical cooldowns and/or Adlo, if you aren't you aren't using the skill to it's full potential. 30 seconds. That is valuable MP gain for a DPS push.
    What tactic cooldowns? Dissi buff does not influence Indomitability or Lustrate. Do you mean Emergency Tactics - so a situational setup for a situational cd? Lol ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    No it's not, where are you getting that from? It's an instant cast, which is nice, but it's certainly not stronger.
    Yes it is. Raw potency including shield is higher and costs like 40% less MP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    Yes it is. Raw potency including shield is higher at like 40% less MP.
    No it's not. It's close but it's not stronger.
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    No it's not. It's close but it's not stronger.
    Aspected Benefic is 250 Potency. Adjust this value for the 5% Healing bonus from Nocturnal Sect and floor for floor(250 * 1.05) = 262 Potency.

    Shield is now 130% of the healed amount. floor(262 * 1.3) = 340 Potency

    262 + 340 Potency = 602 Potency.
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    Reimu Hakurei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Aspected Benefic is 250 Potency. Adjust this value for the 5% Healing bonus from Nocturnal Sect and floor for floor(250 * 1.05) = 262 Potency.

    Shield is now 130% of the healed amount. floor(262 * 1.3) = 340 Potency

    262 + 340 Potency = 602 Potency.
    Precisely. I thought it was 603.75, but whatever.

    Also, WAY cheaper MP wise. And instant.
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Aspected Benefic is 250 Potency. Adjust this value for the 5% Healing bonus from Nocturnal Sect and floor for floor(250 * 1.05) = 262 Potency.

    Shield is now 130% of the healed amount. floor(262 * 1.3) = 340 Potency

    262 + 340 Potency = 602 Potency.
    I'm testing them in game with the exact same gear, and adding 130% to my A.Bene's is about 100 healing~ less than doubling Adlo. If I'm doing my math wrong, then I'm wrong. But it seems to me that A.Bene is still weaker.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    What tactic cooldowns? Dissi buff does not influence Indomitability or Lustrate. Do you mean Emergency Tactics - so a situational setup for a situational cd? Lol ok.
    Tactical cooldowns = Deployment or Emergency. One of which should be up if you need the potency boost. Use with Succor if you need the AoE. Fairy change isn't the only reason, maybe you don't want to change either.

    I honestly think some SCHs fear for their lives without a fairy at any second or don't find the full value of their toolkit in end-game raiding and strategic use of the skill separates those SCHs from those who don't just dismiss the skill as useless. The reality is given the situation when your WHM is low on MP and maybe the SCH as well, the skill can pretty much put the SCH into a main healer role to immediately cover with plenty of potency and MP and even go back into DPS without any concern as the WHM recovers.
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    Last edited by technole; 08-26-2015 at 01:51 AM.

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