What does everyone think about those AST buffs?

[EchuKayu]

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

Care to explain in detail how all of what you're saying is true? Or is it all 90% and probablies? Seems people want one thing to always be better and never equal, after all.

[AlphaSonic]

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

Well astro doesn't have a Fairy. Doesn't have lustrates, indomitability or better MP regen.

I think it's a fair trade, slightly better potency for worse emergency tools.

[DawnSolaria]

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

Few things, Noc Ast and SCH will never be in the same part, Aldos still crits for 200%, our "sacred soil" requires us to not cast and not move, and as a buff class why shouldnt our buffs outweight your fairy?

[Soyre_Monre]

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

With good rng they can outweight selene but absolutely not sch personal dps, and scholar has still more mitigation tools with a better mana management. Adlo cost more mp than aspected, but scholar can also count on a lot more mp. Also, they miss the fairy. Astro's probably better at single target healing thanks to sinastry and is a bit more free on aoe healing, but scholar is still king in mitigation, emergency heals and dps.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The changes are awesome! I logged on and ran my expert roulette. I love every single change they made. Finally, a reason to use Noc stance again. Collective Unconscious is now useful, as it gives you both the shield and regen while activated, and a 15 second regen after it dissipates. Disable fixed. Better potency heals. Longer durations for the three best cards. Extended card gives you a full minute of Balance or Arrow. And that Synastry! Sick, reduced cooldown and gives us the healing boost we were lacking.

Only two gripes were no notated change to Shuffle not giving you the same card twice (though, maybe they ninja changed it, and we just don't know yet - has to be tested?) and no added heal to Celestial. But, still very happy with all of the changes made.

[Gist]

Puts WHM out of business.

But at the end of the day, I'm happy to see more ASTs around and I look forward to having their better-tuned healing in my parties.

[Akyio]

Square took it in direction to buff us as healers rather than support role. I think its very positive, because we now have actually as strong heals or even 5% stronger. We have healing increase CD, just like other 2 healers, and just in general in bare numbers AST is probably as strong, and in heal per mp the strongest healer.

I particularly like nocturnal changes, its strange that now we actually have slightly better shields than SCH except adlo+deployment tactics, but i guess it was intended considering our worse mp management and lack of lustrates/fairy/indomitability kinda thing.
I believe all 3 healers are pretty much equal now.

[ckc22]

Care to explain in detail how all of what you're saying is true? Or is it all 90% and probablies? Seems people want one thing to always be better and never equal, after all.

Well astro doesn't have a Fairy. Doesn't have lustrates, indomitability or better MP regen.
I think it's a fair trade, slightly better potency for worse emergency tools.

Few things, Noc Ast and SCH will never be in the same part, Aldos still crits for 200%, our "sacred soil" requires us to not cast and not move, and as a buff class why shouldnt our buffs outweight your fairy?

With good rng they can outweight selene but absolutely not sch personal dps, and scholar has still more mitigation tools with a better mana management. Adlo cost more mp than aspected, but scholar can also count on a lot more mp. Also, they miss the fairy. Astro's probably better at single target healing thanks to sinastry and is a bit more free on aoe healing, but scholar is still king in mitigation, emergency heals and dps.

To all:

Aspect bene is 263 potency with a 130% guaranteed shield, meaning the only way a scholar can put up a stronger shield (the hallmark of their job) is to get a crit - and with current gear that gives a 10-15% chance.

The fairy is not a strong argument in scholars favor since SE has silent nerfed them. In addition in terms of emergencies your aspected bene is instant cast - this lets you throw an ehp potency of 605 on anyone at any time without even popping a CD (aka more than lustrate). Scholar may have slightly better emergency aoe healing with indomitability – but your aoe healing is better overall.

As for DawnSolarias argument thank you for falling right into my point. Your buffs should outweigh our fairies – but by the same token, as a shield class, why shouldn’t our shields outweigh your shields?

What are all these more/better scholar mitigation tools your talking about Soyre? I’m just not seeing them. Astrologian has better shields 85-90% of the time, a better version of sacred soil, an unshared mitigation tool (and better because potency >stats) in disable.

I'm perfectly happy that Astro got buffed - I think it was needed. But this kind of stuff is the reason three is a crowd.

[NorthernLadMSP]

OMG, seriously do NOT start complaining that your precious SCH needs a buff. SCH still has amazing tools at it's disposal and does NOT need buffs of any kind. You still have better MP management, the free fairy heals, way more emergency heals and the extra DPS the SCH itself can add.

[DawnSolaria]

length.

E4E and Virus still very much beat Disable(10% for 6 second on single vs 10% for 20 seconds on multiple). Aspec Benefic is still on global so instant means very little. As for the current low crit, it might be a start of expansion deal. As gear progression SCH will get more crit thus making Aldos more powerful. CU is not a better version of Scared Soil. You can cast SS and continue to mitigate damage, while an AST has to maintain CU.