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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    Having ONE vaguely challenging thing in an entire game does not make up for making everything else require nothing at all.
    actually it does. Yoshi did not make everything easy it was the last team and since yoshi was in charge they added the only "vaguely Challenging" thing in the game. So its pretty clear where the team wants to go with diffculty
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  2. #92
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    Jynx, who i often do not agree with, makes some really good points. Instant access to a town will only re-enforce the One Town problem we already have in this game. Every time Steps are taken to get people out of Ul Dah, such as Marks being town specific, they go and do something like this. Now no one ever has to take there retainer out of Ul Dah because its literally a cutscene away.

    They are making this game so unbearably simple, i'll use simple so people stop yelling at me for equating difficulty with time sinks, that I can't even do a run of ToTo Rak without someone deciding "Nah forget SP i'm just gonna switch to my main and burn this thing down."

    MMO's NEED time sinks
    Instances NEED level caps
    Markets NEED Gil Sinks

    This MMO will never get anywhere if they continue to make it so Simple that Every piece of content is done and over within a week of release and any player can get any where to do anything in less than a minute.

    This game is supposed to be a World that we explore NOT a place to teleport around one shotting things with unlimited resources at our disposal.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokee View Post
    Laws of nature allows you travel to another country in 1-5 minutes? I'm sorry I don't see your point. It should take hrs if were are going by that rule.
    and real life transports are getting easier and easier, just like in game ...ffxi just got easier porting cause they added more options, for most part we all did our "time" those who didn't well they got lucky that it got easier for them or us. who ever.

    what jnx said well, even though i agree that mmo's in general are turning to shit, it is in no way transportation that will kill it. least not if games are made like ffxi, they will always send us out into the big world for reasons. when they get so easy it not needed then it will become all isntanced crap like shooters. and they will make it all solo ...and it will be like offline games but still try to charge u monthly. heck call of duty got a mmo on way, i can't even... think of what that will be like and how they plan to charge monthly for it lol.

    but a choice to ride a boat or not isn't anywhere near that, it is all the other stuff around it. content wise, challenging wise ...the ease of doing things will kill mmo's cause leaders disapear, more people need to be able to do things themselves thus need to keep making things easier for them. ...in no way a boat ride.
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokee View Post
    Laws of nature allows you travel to another country in 1-5 minutes? I'm sorry I don't see your point. It should take hrs if we are going by that rule.
    Seriously? Your kidding right? The game has a set nubmer of RL minutes per in game hour.
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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    Jynx, who i often do not agree with, makes some really good points. Instant access to a town will only re-enforce the One Town problem we already have in this game. Every time Steps are taken to get people out of Ul Dah, such as Marks being town specific, they go and do something like this. Now no one ever has to take there retainer out of Ul Dah because its literally a cutscene away.

    They are making this game so unbearably simple, i'll use simple so people stop yelling at me for equating difficulty with time sinks, that I can't even do a run of ToTo Rak without someone deciding "Nah forget SP i'm just gonna switch to my main and burn this thing down."

    MMO's NEED time sinks
    Instances NEED level caps
    Markets NEED Gil Sinks

    This MMO will never get anywhere if they continue to make it so Simple that Every piece of content is done and over within a week of release and any player can get any where to do anything in less than a minute.

    This game is supposed to be a World that we explore NOT a place to teleport around one shotting things with unlimited resources at our disposal.
    walking to town for the 1 millionth time is not exploring.
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  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble View Post
    gimmie abreak, the teleporting and boats have nothing to do with the ease of game, i'm as hardcore(if thinking in time played per day) as it gets an i want absolute free anima. it's a time sink that is useless, if u'r not fighting mobs and progressing then it's a pointless time sink. sitting on a boat don't equat to giving everyone batral drops, or everyone a mythic weapon. it for the most part is opposite ...most players who play for more then 3hrs a day will run out of anima in a minute, using boats from city to city with or without waiting on boat will be needed an used multiple times a day. skipping the long wait just seems logical. from there u still gotta run to camps or anima port.

    not to be rude but u all must be people with bf ..or gf in game and enjoy forced 5mins of snuggling and making him play emotes of cuteness and role play with you on boat. it's the only lol reason i can think of that u would want to sit on that boat for 10mins if not afk. do your forplay on u'r own time don't make the rest of us run walk or afk when we want to be playing, ty.

    also to add, the getting to places as the game moves on year by year will only get easier, they make it a challenge at start. it is made as a slop in ffxi an i think that is the same thing they trying to create here a little.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadRiser View Post
    You just made me LOL at how dumb this was... oh not to be rude
    lol thought it was kinda funny too but it needed to be added. i can't really think of any other reason but that one.
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNO View Post
    walking to town for the 1 millionth time is not exploring.
    First of all, yes it is. Whenever you walk through an MMO there is a chance you will come across something you didnt know about before. That is exploring.

    Secondly, by removing the drive of players to ride between towns you derail your ability to create immersive content. Especially when you consider the amount of events that can happen between towns. Adding instant travel encourages players to avoid the vast majority of the game's areas unless they are specifically going to to do a preplanned event. Players will not venture off the beaten path if they can simply instant travel from one place to the next. Once again, that is why Anima porting has a limit.

    Finally, by releasing instant porting first you greatly diminish any advantages that a person might have gained through taking the full length travel. You can't rely on discount prices for non-instant travel because people will have adapted to the current rates. You can't rely on content because it will be ignored in favor of speedy travel or will require rewards so good that people begin to ignore the rest of the game.

    The simple fact is, by making instant travel between cities you are effectively detracting from the rest of the games. The markets suffer, population density suffer, areas become desolate, and future content become greatly limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNO View Post
    nope because lately they added a hard raid
    How long did it take people to master that dungeon...a matter of days? Hell if anything the only "Hard" part is trying to do a speed run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    How long did it take people to master that dungeon...a matter of days? Hell if anything the only "Hard" part is trying to do a speed run.
    The speed run isn't even hard it's just class excluding and detrimental to game play equality.
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    if it is still going by doing the fastest witch it is, running places is still same. just means people go to the closest places. hell dunno how many times people will try over camp u in ffxi cause to lazy to go other spots. or heck i'v had people bitch and say i want to stay over leaving cause another group ninja there b4 we got there. instead of ....running to the other, they even leave party at times lol. but what i'm saying though is it's the same quickest thing is port or quickest run ...the run was pointless though, if all are instant u still have choices that are little better.

    but again this thread has pushed huge leaps, its a 5min boat ride, it's gonna save everyone 3-20anima a day for leves, and locals and wards that is all. soon we get choco on top of that and we will have newer stuff not seen? i do agree it's the journey there but not when it comes to the actual running around. and don't forget one day we will have so much content event he most casual won't have any anima left to keep up.
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