Heals, DPS, and comms

[MXMoondoggie]

I've personally not noticed much of a difference with most parties but slightly more favourable to doing some DPS at least from the runs where I got a great deal of comms. The most recent high scores were 6 comms in two A3 runs where I juggled heals with DPS. It was somewhat tactical helping out on adds using assize to damage the first wave while slowing and stunning the adds before they walk to the edge so the DPS can burn then down with me. On boss kept up DoT's and did damage while keeping up Media II and regen on tank with buffs and tetra/cures when needed. Clearly people noticed what I was doing. I started them decently too using holy,assize,Aero III on the trash mobs to help nuke them down while using esuna to keep poison stacks off buffs etc.

If you are putting in the extra effort I find people do notice though occasionally a Tank dies due to poor CD management and gets a bit sassy pants over me doing DPS.

[Anastacy]

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Ah, OK then...I'm just going to assume you're not understanding what I'm saying, as the amount of runs the Reddit-OP made has nothing to do with either of my points you originally questioned.

I think I did read a comment on the Reddit post that mentioned that samples were split up pre-HW and post-HW, which also ties into the "uncontrolled" part of my first reply here.

[Muahbec]

I'll be honest, i don't feel comfortable while healing and DPSing, of course, i do it but i don't feel ok doing it. People at my server don't complain at all about healing and dpsing which is good >_> .

[Risvertasashi]

Ah, OK then...I'm just going to assume you're not understanding what I'm saying, as the amount of runs the Reddit-OP made has nothing to do with either of my points you originally questioned.

I think I did read a comment on the Reddit post that mentioned that samples were split up pre-HW and post-HW, which also ties into the "uncontrolled" part of my first reply here.

I understood what you're saying; I don't see how it applies to the data. People that never comm would reduce the average comms of both sets (so it's irrelevant). Any expectation that healers deserve comms is irrelevant; the data was from simply testing the performance of each playstyle.

That is a good point about the timespan covering two periods, though, so that might be coloring the data.

[Anastacy]

I understood what you're saying; I don't see how it applies to the data. People that never comm would reduce the average comms of both sets (so it's irrelevant). Any expectation that healers deserve comms is irrelevant; the data was from simply testing the performance of each playstyle.

That is a good point about the timespan covering two periods, though, so that might be coloring the data.

You mention "both sets", but there's actually 2 additional (DPS and tank), neither of which the Reddit-OP makes a fair attempt to analyze along with healer comms. Secondly, the sample size is not near large enough to make any assumptions about peoples' behavior (to address "no comms given"). Factoring the other 2 roles into the analysis could help the sample size, however.

And it is an assumption that healers deserve commendations because none of the analysis takes into account that maybe the groups the Reddit-OP didn't get any comms had a good freakin' tank that everyone thought deserved them (to address "healers deserve comms assumption). Additionally to this, I've had people quit the instance so quickly that to have given a commendation would require super-human speed (for a bit more anecdote). The Reddit-OP has no way of knowing, out of a total 4 commendations, how many were *actually* given unless, of course, he receives 3 (thus another "uncontrolled" aspect of the analysis).

[Risvertasashi]

You mention "both sets", but there's actually 2 additional (DPS and tank), neither of which the Reddit-OP makes a fair attempt to analyze along with healer comms. And it is an assumption that healers deserve commendations because none of the analysis takes into account that maybe the groups the Reddit-OP didn't get any comms had a good freakin' tank that everyone thought deserved them.

That's exactly why anecdotal evidence or even small sample sets aren't good, but that sort of thing should average out over time. Biggest risk of that, I think, is the 2.5/Heavensward overlap, where the job dynamics changed so much the average number of good/bad tanks/dps may have also changed.

[Cynfael]

The commendations of players who lack the basic awareness to distinguish between an unskilled or lazy player making busy with gratuitous heals and an actively contributing healer maximizing their role do not interest me.

[Anastacy]

That's exactly why anecdotal evidence or even small sample sets aren't good, but that sort of thing should average out over time. Biggest risk of that, I think, is the 2.5/Heavensward overlap, where the job dynamics changed so much the average number of good/bad tanks/dps may have also changed.

Eh, there's a bit more to it than just hoping it'll average out. Namely, personal bias.

Some players are ex-tanks (in this game and others), and take note of exceptional/bad tanks moreso than other party members. Same with healers (such as myself: the rare time I roulette as a DPS, I almost cautiously watch what the healer is doing). Some DPS are just giddy that the tank can hold aggro and consider that "a good tank".

Too many factors involved but I wouldn't doubt if healer/tank comms began to curve close to a 50/50 split, as it seems (keyword) DPS get shafted. I make a conscious effort at times to take note of good DPS'ers (a parser helps) and comm them appropriately.

[Risvertasashi]

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fair enough, fair enough. I do likewise with DPS, just to give them a little recognition they don't often get.

[Wizarus]

Meh. I don't DPS for Comms. Every time I queue as a Healer, I ensure that no matter what DPS I'm paired with, the run wont slow down to a snail's pace.