Heals, DPS, and comms

[Risvertasashi]

Noticed this thread over on Reddit...

For those that don't want to click it, the short version is the poster did an experiment over several runs with EX roulette dungeons. He received more comms on runs where he did not DPS but kept everyone topped up, and less when he DPS'd and let HoTs do most of the healing work.

My previous perception had been that cleric stancing makes no difference but it looks like it actually hurts our standing with the party.

Thoughts, comments?

[Xenos74]

Results vary. If your party is paying attention and sees you actively dps, usually 2 or 3 comms at the end of a run
On the other hand, if they are tunnel visioning their dps, and tank hp is ping ponging from cleric stance dance, it makes it look like you got a sloppy healer and the tank leaves with the commendations.

I used to get a lot of comms from doing dps on my sch pre-HW, but lately it's usually just 1...2 if lucky. If I just straight up heal, it's usually 2 but that kind of behavior puts me to sleep on sch so I rather not queue up at all if I'm feeling lazy to dps

[Anastacy]

Highly anecdotal and does not prove or disprove anything due to small (and uncontrolled) sample size.

Also does not account for people not caring to give out commendations. Also assumes that the healer deserves comms over other players (namely the other "visible" party member, the tank).

Don't make much of the situation, and DPS as a healer. Faster runs benefit you, as well.

[Risvertasashi]

Also does not account for people not caring to give out commendations. Also assumes that the healer deserves comms over other players (namely the other "visible" party member, the tank).

It actually does account for both points, if you read it. It was a pretty simple experiment: Long term, which playstyle nets more comms? It's not like he just ran a single or even just a few dungeons (Over 100 dungeon runs for each playstyle...)

Not that it doesn't have limitations but if one style consistently gets you better results over the long term, well...

[Anastacy]

It actually does account for both points, if you read it. It was a pretty simple experiment: Long term, which playstyle nets more comms? It's not like he just ran a single or even just a few dungeons (Over 100 dungeon runs for each playstyle...)

Not that it doesn't have limitations but if one style consistently gets you better results over the long term, well...

Please directly quote which lines from the Reddit OP's post deal directly with the two points I mentioned (people not caring to give commendations + assuming the healer "deserves" them above anyone else).

[Risvertasashi]

Please directly quote which lines from the Reddit OP's post deal directly with the two points I mentioned (people not caring to give commendations + assuming the healer "deserves" them above anyone else).

First two months : 124 dungeon runs, 141 commendations. Average : 1.14 commendation per run.
Last two months : 110 dungeon runs, 76 commendations. Average : 0.69 commendation per run.

/10character

[Eudyptes]

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Another big factor, or even the biggest factor, is that people comm more when content is new and less when they are on run #296. So if this experiment is done in blocks (which I believe it is) instead of alternating it can make a massive impact on the outcome.

I used to have comms rain down on me after every run. Now half the group is out of the dungeon before my game can even auto-skip the final CS.

[Mikedizzy]

I try and pat attention to everyone and see who really does the best in the run. If someone does something to really stand out or makes a really good move then they will get my comm usually. it is all subjective but I try and make sure dps gets attention if they are doing well also.

[Xenos74]

I try and pat attention to everyone and see who really does the best in the run. If someone does something to really stand out or makes a really good move then they will get my comm usually. it is all subjective but I try and make sure dps gets attention if they are doing well also.

Pretty much this for when I give comms too. For example,a bard that plays foe requiem for the dps'ing healer in a full melee pt. Also, a good/fun attitude helps with comms too...no one will want to give want to give you a comm if you come off like you got a stick up your.....anyways! Plenty of things play into it, IMHO just don't treat exp roulette like a chore and you'll usually come out with a good/decent run.

As for the data gathered, like my earlier post said, results vary from pt to pt

[Aika_Nakamura]

Honestly, I don't particularly care for commendations. They're pretty useless, except for when I'm not familiar with a class.. maybe. I look at them as a "you're doing good, nice job", which is what they are. If people like my play-style that's awesome, I'm glad I can satisfy. However, if I don't get any, then I just kind of brush it off. Usually when I'm actually doing something weird or wrong people kind of say so.

Anyway, on-topic. I DPS as a WHM regardless of what my party might think. It makes the runs faster and I don't feel like I'm about to pass out by doing that. Seriously, it's boring to not DPS.

I'd just say forget the commendations, DPS it out. I hate healers who just stand around when they could be speeding up the fight (though I do it sometimes myself). If it's something like a heavy fight where the tank needs to get immediate attention at a moment's notice (like T9 when it was relevant), then I can understand entirely. Otherwise, DPS.