"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Kona_Nightwind]

After reading this thread, and having a good laugh I have some thoughts.

1. If you constantly have people leaving your group, trying to get kicked, or ninja DCing it maybe a you problem (unless it's people leaving asap). Your skills, attitude, or poor gearing maybe the issue.

2. If you constantly have to use your vote kick, it's probably a you problem again.There just aren't that many people trolling dungeons.

3. More and/or stiffer penalties is a terrible idea. It'll cause people to do less dungeons or flat out stop playing. The current abandon party penalty is already to stiff. They should change it to if you leave 3 parties a day or a week you get a 30 min penalty.

4. A much better solution to people leaving dungeons is to reward players for joining a group in progress. Currently I never join a party in progress, because most the time people left for a reason. But say if I get bonus esoterics, law, xp, xp token I can use on other characters, or a loot token for gear that drops in low level dungeons, I'd que for in progress all the time. If you reward people for helping, they will be much more inclined to help.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

I've never seen these issues in a roulette party before, but then again; I'm very good at this game.

OP, if you constantly having people asking to be vote kicked from your parties............. Perhaps you should think about WHY that is. That's not typical. Lol

[Ranzan]

The alternative is that people will leave an instance immediately without a penalty because they got the dungeon they don't like. From a tank and healer perspective, this means nothing to them since their queues are incredibly short, while leafers will be stuck waiting for their story mode dungeons to pop, or DPS being stuck with longer queues.

you could never kick or vote abandon at the BEGINNING of the instance in the first place... Idk why people say that and said tools state that a certain amount of time has to pass first. But ppl keep saying at the beginning thou.

[Synestra]

A few months ago I would agree in not kicking but lately(especially after HW launch) I've been getting parties on my healer or tank where we are constantly wiping.

I stopped doing roulettes alltogether on my tank, player RNG is just too much for me i guess and there is other, more "RNG-free" ways of getting tomes.

[Fenral]

Now we're in the "nobody listens to my excuses, so I'll just attack the OP" phase of the General Discussion thread lifecycle. Sigh.

It was a valid point, but nobody likes to accept their own responsibility in DF, so it falls on deaf ears. As usual. Hitting the "Unsubscribe" button now. Later forks.

[Stormrider]

you could never kick or vote abandon at the BEGINNING of the instance in the first place... Idk why people say that and said tools state that a certain amount of time has to pass first. But ppl keep saying at the beginning thou.

They sit at the beginning and wait for the 5 mins to pass. Again it is mostly a tank/healer problem. If the tank or healer won't move for 5 mins then you aren't getting very far.

Purrfectstorm I was waiting for someone to mention speed runs that I noticed. SE have designed all the new dungeons to prevent any sort of speed run. Not to mention the questionable nerf to whm and blm from speed running. I don't mind your suggestion about lost bonus, I just figure that is harsher then 30 mins. I have so much other stuff to do in game on my 60 I don't bother with any roulette and most dungeons on Tuesday only. I actual like the idea they keep popping into the same instance until they finish it for the rest of the week.

[Ranzan]

I've never seen someone do a sit down but I have seen ppl instant leave before. But let my ask this if the first person that leaves gets a penalty but why not the 2nd or 3rd person? Or is it ok since they are not the 1st person to leave?

[RiceisNice]

you could never kick or vote abandon at the BEGINNING of the instance in the first place... Idk why people say that and said tools state that a certain amount of time has to pass first. But ppl keep saying at the beginning thou.

No, but you can leave at the beginning of the instance, or at any time of the instance really. If you wanted to opt out penalties for leaving a dungeon, what's to stop them from leaving at the beginning? Leaving midway honestly isn't any better than leaving at the beginning for the party itself, especially if it was a tank who did so.

I've never seen someone do a sit down but I have seen ppl instant leave before. But let my ask this if the first person that leaves gets a penalty but why not the 2nd or 3rd person? Or is it ok since they are not the 1st person to leave?

If you leave and the party wasn't full, you do not get the penalty. That brings in the other perspective of people who use their vote kick to wrongfully kick someone so they can leave without a penalty, and it still doesn't change the fact that a dps would be stuck in queue lines again, especially if it was for a specific dungeon or trial.

[Ashkendor]

I've never seen these issues in a roulette party before, but then again; I'm very good at this game.

OP, if you constantly having people asking to be vote kicked from your parties............. Perhaps you should think about WHY that is. That's not typical. Lol

I see you're also modest and fond of ad hominem.

[Naliee]

1. If you constantly have people leaving your group, trying to get kicked, or ninja DCing it maybe a you problem (unless it's people leaving asap). Your skills, attitude, or poor gearing maybe the issue.

2. If you constantly have to use your vote kick, it's probably a you problem again.There just aren't that many people trolling dungeons.

3. More and/or stiffer penalties is a terrible idea. It'll cause people to do less dungeons or flat out stop playing. The current abandon party penalty is already to stiff. They should change it to if you leave 3 parties a day or a week you get a 30 min penalty.

4. A much better solution to people leaving dungeons is to reward players for joining a group in progress. Currently I never join a party in progress, because most the time people left for a reason. But say if I get bonus esoterics, law, xp, xp token I can use on other characters, or a loot token for gear that drops in low level dungeons, I'd que for in progress all the time. If you reward people for helping, they will be much more inclined to help.

I have to agree with 1. and 2. maybe sometimes it's good to look into mirror and say "Mirror mirror on the wall.. am I the idiot of them all?"

3. I would rather shorten the penalty if you decide to leave yourself and if kicked, you get a penalty that you can't join a dungeon for a specific amount of time. But that won't probably ever even happen.

4. and yes, if they gave us some short of "carrot" being rewarded for joining in progress I'd probably do it more often myself too.