Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Firepower]

3) The dps composition.

On #3, I'm nto gonna pull groups of 6+ enemies if I have a MNK and a DRG I'm not gonna pull aoe. If I have a SMN and a BLM I'm gonna pull 2+ packs (2 packs is pretty easy in minimum ilevel and takes full advantage of the SMN)

I completely agree on the rest of the post but...

TBH even though MNK isn't in the realms of BLM or SMN with Elixir Field (220 potency AOE, 30 sec recast) now its definitely much more improved. Also with Purification TP isn't an issue for Perfect balance and Rockbreaker spam even though The forbidden Chakra is generally a much better use of the meditate.

It is still a net DPS gain for you to pull extra mobs with a MNK it's just less of a gain than if you went from single pulls to multiples when you have blms. DRG I can't comment on but as far as I remembered they were already better than MNK for Aoe DPS.

[Eidolon]

Telling them fancy words does not suddenly make them a leader. It makes them feel like you are babying them dude and telling them how to play, hand holding.

Do you not see the irony dripping from your stance of not talking to people? In the same breath as you claim that the 'way of talking to people has gone out the window'?

Honestly. I don't know if you're just a hypocrite... if you're just honestly so full of yourself that you honestly think what you're doing is helping anyone.

I've honestly said all I can really say to you at this point. There's nothing more for it here - you got your beliefs and you're gonna keep doing it, regardless of how many sane rational people point out to you that you're doing a greater disservice to the very same community that you so badly 'want to be better.'

I completely agree on the rest of the post but...

TBH even though MNK isn't in the realms of BLM or SMN with Elixir Field (220 potency AOE, 30 sec recast) now its definitely much more improved. Also with Purification TP isn't an issue for Perfect balance and Rockbreaker spam even though The forbidden Chakra is generally a much better use of the meditate.

It is still a net DPS gain for you to pull extra mobs with a MNK it's just less of a gain than if you went from single pulls to multiples when you have blms. DRG I can't comment on but as far as I remembered they were already better than MNK for Aoe DPS.

Hmn...

I'll keep that in mind in the future - I appreciate it. I'll ask around and see what people feel on it. It definitely feels like it'd help in Melee+BRD comps. DRG is good with AoE but it's not sustainable - and I imagine it'll be similar with MNK. Though skills like Geirskugal hit multiple mobs.

[Miste]

If I die being a bad teacher then I deserve it. <3 However if I do this and live I have taught the person a valuable lesson.

So, just curious after reading all this...


Why do you think you know what is best for everyone else? Why have you nominated yourself as the FFXIV Professor?

Also do you think you are really teaching anyone a lesson by doing the things you deem right?

If you know anything about psychology you would know that not everyone interprets actions the way you want them to.

[Kosmos992k]

Sorry bud, but you're mistaken. The tank does not set the flow. Regardless of what you might think, there are 4 ppl in the dungeon. Not just you. The party sets the flow. If 3 ppl want to you to pull another set of mobs, then do it. If the healer is pulling another mob, it means he knows he can keep you alive. If that happens then you, the tank, shouldn't have this mentality of, "if you want to tank it then go ahead." I'm tired of the "me, me, me" mindset. You're playing an mmo with other ppl. The party sets the flow. If you want to set your own pace, please go player a single player game

Sorry, but no, that's wrong. The jobs are structured in such a way that the tank's job is to do the pulls and manage the mobs, and consequently set the pace. A good tank will only pull as much as the party can handle. But the truth is that as such, the tank sets the pace. There is nothing me, me, me about that, it's the nature of the jobs, if you want to tank so much, put your cane down and pick up a sword and shield.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Sorry, but no, that's wrong. The jobs are structured in such a way that the tank's job is to do the pulls and manage the mobs, and consequently set the pace. A good tank will only pull as much as the party can handle. But the truth is that as such, the tank sets the pace. There is nothing me, me, me about that, it's the nature of the jobs, if you want to tank so much, put your cane down and pick up a sword and shield.

Unfortunately you can't do that in a dungeon to restrictions. If I see a tank that is obviously to slow I will pick up whatever I have to fix the problem.

This is why I want more "specs" to the game so we can tank even as a DPS and healer, or DPS as a tank. Multiple specs and talents will help do this.

It's not up to you to decide whether another player is too slow or whatever. If you did that to me, I would not respond well, and I doubt other tanks would either. Attend to your own role and the dungeon will proceed quickly enough.

I don't care about "Roles" I care about "Winning and defeating my enemy."

I will do anything to win, even dishonor my useless titles and roles. That is how I play and fight.

Except this would throw a wrench into the whole duty finder role setup, what would you do if you queue'd current endgame content, and got two dps spec'd tanks, two dps spec'd healers? Sit around for 15 min to vote abandon? Kick someone after 5 min? have someone eat a 30 min penalty?

We need more variety in our Jobs. They are pretty lackluster atm, everyone is pretty much the same.

[Kosmos992k]

Unfortunately you can't do that in a dungeon to restrictions. If I see a tank that is obviously to slow I will pick up whatever I have to fix the problem.

This is why I want more "specs" to the game so we can tank even as a DPS and healer, or DPS as a tank. Multiple specs and talents will help do this.

It's not up to you to decide whether another player is too slow or whatever. If you did that to me, I would not respond well, and I doubt other tanks would either. Attend to your own role and the dungeon will proceed quickly enough.

[Gralna]

Unfortunately you can't do that in a dungeon to restrictions. If I see a tank that is obviously to slow I will pick up whatever I have to fix the problem.

This is why I want more "specs" to the game so we can tank even as a DPS and healer, or DPS as a tank. Multiple specs and talents will help do this.

Except this would throw a wrench into the whole duty finder role setup, what would you do if you queue'd current endgame content, and got two dps spec'd tanks, two dps spec'd healers? Sit around for 15 min to vote abandon? Kick someone after 5 min? have someone eat a 30 min penalty?

[TouchandFeel]

This is why I want more "specs" to the game so we can tank even as a DPS and healer, or DPS as a tank. Multiple specs and talents will help do this.

Even if they added multiple specs to each job that allowed current jobs to spec as a different role, they would still be queueing as that role (ex: a DRG specced as a tank, would still queue as a tank), so the situation would not change, you would still have the basic party make up we have now. If jobs were able to be multiple roles at once (at least farther than swapping tank stance or using cleric stance) it would cause groups to easily become a chaotic mess where everyone is trying to do everything. This is not how the game is structured on its most basic foundations and would not work well without a vast (i.e. complete) revamp.

[Kosmos992k]

I don't care about "Roles" I care about "Winning and defeating my enemy."

I will do anything to win, even dishonor my useless titles and roles. That is how I play and fight.

Then you are a fool who doesn't know how to play this game or play with others, thank you for confirming as much by your own words.

The roles and jobs in this game are structured to work together in a complementary way. We all have specific strengths and weaknesses along with buffs and debuffs that work hand in hand to diminish the enemy and maximize the team. If you cannot work within that, you are ignoring basic elements of the game. Such willful ignorance reveals the extent of your foolishness.

[Ryaz]

Anyone remember FFXI mentor system? You could put a little thing next to your name to show that you were willing to help new players learn the game. I doubt a lot of players would do that anymore. Too self absorbed in their little speed runs. We live in a day and age of people wanting instant gratification. There is no patience and no empathy for new players, despite them being noobs once themselves.